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Every time I start a new game, my vassal always rebel within like the first 5 or so years. Why does this happen? I've looked up on the wiki that I need to take away some of their titles, but they say No and then have an uprising. It happens no matter what place I pick. Right now I'm playing Brittany, for like the 5th attempt, and my vassals decide they hate me, and I lose half my land along with half my levies.

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Why do they hate you? (If you didn't know, hover over the number that says how do they (dis)like you and it will explain the reasons.) –  svick Mar 17 '13 at 21:39
Are you always starting as the same character (which one?), or have you tried starting as different nobles? –  Paul Marshall Mar 18 '13 at 19:12
Well I started off playing the Holy Roman Empire, as Kaiser Heinrich, which was a terrible idea. So after a couple of attempts there I tried playing a duke in Ireland. Then I started playing the Duke of Brittany. Every place I play it always happens from ~5 years. –  Koha Mar 18 '13 at 21:14
I only give them 1 Duchy and 1 County at the most. –  Koha Mar 18 '13 at 23:38
@Koha, if you're giving them 1 Duchy and 1 County, and you're holding the other counties in that duchy, then you're racking up some nasty opinion penalties. Dukes want the counties in their duchy, so it's a -25 opinion per county if you're holding those counties. If possible, you should aim to own two duchies, and all of the counties in those duchies, rather than owning a scattering of counties elsewhere. Hand out those counties-in-other-duchies to other people, like Courtiers. (Warning: having lots of weak vassals makes it hard to change your succession laws.) –  Paul Marshall Mar 19 '13 at 17:51

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Go to the Intrigue screen, then look at the Threats tab at the bottom. This gives you a list of nobles, along with the odds of their rebelling per year. You want these numbers to be as low as possible, of course! Mouse over the "rebellion chance" to see why they're rebelling. The usual cause is a low opinion of you, but other factors can come in, like their relative power to you or distance to your capital.

Nobles usually rebel because they don't like you. To make them stop rebelling, get them to like you.

A noble's info screen will have their opinion of you; mouse over that number (if they're threatening to rebel, it's probably negative!), and see why they don't like you. Look at the reasons, and see if you can fix them. (They have a 60% chance to rebel, and they covet your lands? It might be worthwhile to give them one of the titles they want. That will remove a -25 penalty, and give them a +20 or better bonus.) Note that once somebody rebels, all of your nobles get a penalty to their opinion of you. If one guy is rebelling, expect him to tempt more people to rebel.

Ways to increase a noble's opinion of you:

  • Give them an honorary title; these give +10 or so opinion, but don't give Cupbearer to somebody who might decide to assassinate you. You have six of these to hand out (plus a seventh, Court Jester, that makes them dislike you).
  • Give them a gift; the cost depends on their best title (or maybe total economy?), so bribing a powerful Duke is more expensive than bribing a Mayor. Gifts are much more effective against Greedy people. Can be up to +60 opinion, but is usually lower.
  • (Not always applicable) If they have an Ambition To Marry (or be Marshal, or some other thing), help them achieve it. Do not appoint a semi-rebellious noble to be your Spymaster. They may decide to kill you, doubly so if they have a claim on anything of yours, and they'll be in the best possible place to do it.
  • (Not always applicable) Let them educate one of your children, for +20 opinion.
  • (Time-consuming, expensive, not always easy) Press one of their claims for them, by going to war against somebody else to claim something, and using that noble's claim as a Casus Belli. Your kingdom gets bigger, and they get +100 to their opinion of you. Of course, the war may take so long that your vassal rebels before it's over.
  • (Erodes your power base) Transfer a vassal to them for +20 opinion. Alternatively, transfer your rebellious vassal to someone more loyal. (Only works when they can be a vassal; you can't transfer your Super-Duke-Of-Rebelliousness to another of your Dukes.)
  • (Erodes your power base) Give them one of your titles. If they covet a title, it's a -25 opinion, so when you give them a title, it will remove the -25 and grant at least +20, for a total of +45 opinion.

Ways to remove them as a threat:

  • (Risky, may encourage other rebellions) Find a valid excuse to arrest them. If it works, take a title from them so their rebellion won't be as powerful — and keep them in your dungeon, so they can't rebel. If arresting fails, then crush their armies and siege their holdings, then take a title from them after they surrender. If you don't have a valid excuse to arrest him, then assign your spymaster to look for plots in his capital; if he dislikes you, he probably has a plot going against you and the spymaster will find it (and then you can arrest him legally).
  • (Catholics only, costs piety, requires good opinion from pope or antipope) Get them excommunicated, then arrest them. This works even if you don't have a valid reason to imprison them; nobody cares what happens to excommunicated people. You can even execute them (does the vassal's heir love you more than the vassal?), but arrested people are pretty harmless.
  • (Risky, may encourage other rebellions) Let them rebel, and crush them quickly. Mercenaries can help with this.
  • (Expensive, risky, heir may be just as bad) Assassinate them. Before you do this, check to see if the heir likes you (and make sure to add in any opinion modifiers that will transfer from the soon-to-be-dead vassal to his heir, like "wants County/Duchy X" or "too many duchies."). Send over your Spymaster to improve your odds of success. If you're caught, you gain the Dishonorable trait (an opinion penalty!), and your target may try to assassinate you.
  • (Time-consuming, not always available, risky, heir may be just as bad) If you're lucky, you may get a Plot to assassinate them; I'm not sure what makes that plot available. It will be time-consuming to gather plot power, and then there will be a delay—on the order of months—before each assassination attempt occurs. (On the plus side, you'll retry failed assassinations automatically.) There's also the risk that one of your fellow plotters will spill the beans, which will usually make your target respond in kind and try to eliminate you.
  • (Makes you sad) As a last resort, simply grant them independence. If your biggest problem is one vassal, and his rebellion drags your entire country into a civil war, just give him what he wants and throw him out of the kingdom. Perhaps you can offer him vassalization later, or simply conquer him.

How to organize your kingdom to reduce rebellions

Your personal demesne should consist of two duchies, plus all of the counties in those duchies (or less, if your demesne limit is lower). This means several things:

  1. Your dukes don't desire your counties (because you're the owner of the duchy, not the duke)
  2. Your counts don't desire your duchies. (After a few generations, it's entirely possible that some counts will inter-marry enough to own a majority of the counties in your duchy; then you get an opinion penalty with them, because they want the duchy.)
  3. Your personal power is concentrated, so you can mobilize your troops into a single large army quickly.
  4. Vassals get an opinion penalty of -10 per duchy after the second, so owning a third duchy can cause problems.

To avoid Super-Dukes (and thus make rebellions hurt much less), try the following:

  1. Make sure each Duke only owns one (or just a few) counties. Give the other counties in their duchy to various other people, so that you don't have to deal with the opinion penalties. (This won't work forever; they'll be marrying and building their own little fiefs, and Super-Dukes can arise naturally after several generations.)
  2. Spread out each Duke's demesne. It's easier to beat a duke who owns a county in Spain, a county in England, and a county in Jerusalem than it is to beat a duke who owns three counties in Ireland.

To really reduce the chance of rebellion, make sure your dukes have their capitals near your capital; "distance to capital" can be a major contributor to rebellions. To set this up, start with a Courtier and give them a county near your capital; they'll set their capital there, and have a lower chance of rebellion. Now give them a duchy (and possibly other lands); their capital shouldn't move.

(Note: I haven't tested the last advice about forcing a vassal to have a capital somewhere near you. You are permitted to move your capital once per generation; I'm not sure if — or why — your vassals, as AI players, will move their capital.)

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In my latest game I've been abusing the trick of giving someone a county in a useful location before giving them other stuff. I've yet to see them move it. While it will generally move eventually - due to someone local usurping the county, or due to inheritance shenanigans - I've had a few stay put for a century or more. I mostly use it to ensure that all my armies gather in coastal locations for ease of transport. –  Davis Broda Feb 11 at 2:41

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