# How many Stones does it take to go all the way

Ever since Junior year of college, Geology has had a special place in my heart, so when I was recently faced with the following problem I felt a tug on the old heart strings:

How much Ore do I need to obtain 525 Jewel Crafting?

Unlike obtaining 525 Mining or Blacksmithing, this isn't a straight forward question. Not every 5 ore prospected yield the correct gems, not every gem cut gives you a skill up. So a proper answer to this question requires more than a single list, it requires... Maths.

I want to know:

1. Minimum amount of ore required (easy)
2. Statistically Average amount of ore required (more difficult)
3. 90% percentile amount of ore required (FUN!)

I consider an answer which provide numbers for all 3: correct.

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I want to know too :), see how long it'll take my mining/jewel crafting will take. – Viper_Sb Jan 18 '11 at 17:24
I'm more interested in how long it'll take someone to come up with the Maths. ♪ – Grace Note Jan 18 '11 at 17:53
It depends on how you go about it -- buying the green gems vs. buying the ore to prospect for green gems. – Raven Dreamer Jan 18 '11 at 19:10
@Less I think the implicit assumption here is that I want to minimize the amount of Ore in question, though I'd be willing to accept an answer that used more Ore if it was more expedient. – tzenes Jan 18 '11 at 19:17
@tzenes Here's the skill up formula I found. It does change with each level up: [chance of gaining skill point = (grey skill - your skill) / (grey skill - yellow skill)] where "grey skill" and "yellow skill" are the numbers at which the recipe turns grey or yellow respectively. – Raven Dreamer Feb 2 '11 at 15:14

Just for the sake of completeness, I'm going to take Chris' profession guide link and reduce it to ore amounts. That'll at least give you the "minimum" amount.

### Absolute Minimum

The technical absolute minimum is 0 ore, as you'd just buy all the bars/gems you need from the auction house and you'd never deal with ore at all.

### Minimim w/ Mining

This answer will include the minimum figured assuming you only mine for bars and dust and that all gems come from the auction house.

• 160 Copper Ore
• 60 Tin Ore
• 140 Mithril Ore
• 15 Truesilver Ore
• 50 Thorium Bar
• 10 Titanium Ore

### Minimum w/ Mining & Prospecting

This answer assumes that you'd obtain each gem from the common ore most likely to drop it via prospecting based on figures on Wowhead. However, I also assumed no gems dropped during mining, which means these values won't be the absolute minimum.

• 160 Copper Ore
• 310 Tin Ore
• add 150 more for Horde characters
• add 200 more if you'd rather not farm/buy Small Illustrious Pearls
• 125 Iron Ore
• 215 Mithril Ore
• 15 Truesilver Ore
• 250 Thorium Ore
• 200 Fel Iron Ore or Adamantite Ore
• 350 Cobalt Ore
• 25 Saronite Ore
• 10 Titanium Ore
• 3205 Obsidium Ore (500 + 2700 from Shadowspirit Diamond and Fire Prism transmutes)

### Quick Average: Mining & Prospecting

For the purposes of this answer, I assume that everything you do will skill you a point in Jewelcrafting, but I incorporate the average percentage drop of gems from the ore that is most likely to drop that gem.

For obsidium ore, the figure is the same as the minimum. Assuming each gem has an equal chance to drop, you'll be obtaining the gems in equal numbers. Since you need 3 of each of them for the transmutes, the percentage that you'll get a gem you need is 100% until you've gotten enough of that gem for all the transmutes you'd need.

• 160 Copper Ore
• 755 Tin Ore
• add 400 more for Horde characters
• add 535 more if you'd rather not farm/buy Small Illustrious Pearls
• 420 Iron Ore
• 390 Mithril Ore
• 15 Truesilver Ore
• 1155 Thorium Ore
• 1180 Fel Iron Ore or Adamantite Ore
• 1400 Cobalt Ore
• 140 Saronite Ore
• 10 Titanium Ore
• 3205 Obsidium Ore (500 + 2700 from Shadowspirit Diamond and Fire Prism transmutes)

### Quick 90th Percentile

With the absence of data points from actual instances or simulations, I cheated on this one. My calculation for the 90th percentile was (([AVG]-[MIN])+[AVG]*.9)+[BAR], where

• AVG - Average ore needed to prospect gems based on drop rate
• MIN - Minimum ore needed to prospect gems
• BAR - Ore needed for bars

It's not perfect, and it also assumes that you always skill when crafting things with jewelcrafting. The same caveat applies to Obsidium in this answer as it does in the quick average.

• 160 Copper Ore
• 1120 Tin Ore
• add 610 more for Horde characters
• add 815 more if you'd rather not farm/buy Small Illustrious Pearls
• 670 Iron Ore
• 540 Mithril Ore
• 15 Truesilver Ore
• 1950 Thorium Ore
• 2245 Fel Iron Ore or Adamantite Ore
• 2310 Cobalt Ore
• 240 Saronite Ore
• 10 Titanium Ore
• 3205 Obsidium Ore (500 + 2700 from Shadowspirit Diamond and Fire Prism transmutes)

### True Average & 90th Percentile

It quickly gets too complicated for me to want to bother attempting this in a completely legitimate fashion. One would have to make sure they had enough base inventory to accomplish both feats which results in a trickle-back effect where you have to go back and make older stuff again at times. That's best left for either a simulation program or someone with free time and a burning desire to snag your bounty. :)

For anyone interested in doing that, good luck. Also, so it doesn't get missed, Raven Dreamer posted the skill up formula he found for the percent chance you will skill up on a yellow or green recipe as a comment to the original question:

[chance of gaining skill point] = (grey skill - current skill) / (grey skill - yellow skill)

"Grey skill" and "yellow skill" are the numbers at which the recipe turns grey or yellow respectively.

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Ok, maybe averages for skills are tough, but how about average drop rate for gems from prospecting? Maybe that can be a step in the right direction (and hopefully help someone get the full answer). – tzenes Feb 4 '11 at 7:57
@Tzenes -- wowpedia.org/Prospecting – Raven Dreamer Feb 6 '11 at 21:19
So this answer will likely get the automatic bounty (half to the highest rated answer). I still don't think it answers my question though. Ultimately, I wanted to know how much ore I had to mine so that I could then drop mining. I figured this was an elementary statistics problem; someone could pull out excel and just know it out. So, from that perspective I guess I'm disappointed. If someone does come up with the full answer I'll still be willing to give them the original bounty (250), but it'll have to be separate from this attempt. – tzenes Feb 8 '11 at 16:27
@tzenes: I added some quick figures for average and 90th percentile based on average drop rates and a few other assumptions noted in the answers. I don't expect these answers to be rewarded the full bounty, but perhaps they will be enough that you'll be okay with losing half the bounty to them. :) – Shaun Feb 8 '11 at 17:59
correct 90% percentile equation is: `(1-%chance)*n <=.1` – tzenes Feb 8 '11 at 19:20

This isn't an answer by your criteria but this guide contains the materials required to level to 525, some people may find it useful: http://www.wow-professions.com/wowguides/wow_jewelcrafting_leveling_guide.html

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