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How should I prepare my army when attacking someone who has 12+ battlecruisers? (Protoss/Zerg/Terran answers are more than appreciated)

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1 viking, over infinite time, can beat infinite battle cruisers if they don't have Yamato cannon. –  RodYan Aug 8 '10 at 23:40
    
A battlecruiser army will almost surely have Yamato cannons though. –  erikvold Aug 9 '10 at 18:20
    
@RodYan: Huh? infinite battle cruisers will obviously beat 1 viking over infinite time.. unless you mean that you could theoretically micro the viking for success? The viking does have 9 range and the battle cruiser only 6 I think. –  ioSamurai Aug 14 '10 at 18:46
    
That's exactly why it would work. Not only does viking have 9 range, it is also much faster. –  Cray Feb 12 '11 at 13:44
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Unlike in Starcraft 1, the Starcraft 2 Battlecruiser is an over specialized unit. It has high ground damage and a long charge up time on its Yamato gun (excellent reference to the birth of anime right there). This combined with its slow speed give you a number of options to deal with it. I'll try to break them down by strategy rather than unit composition (as you should never build a specific unit to counter).

Zerg

The major Zerg strategies are as follows:

  1. Melee Zerg - usually an effort to deal with a Mech heavy build, a late game switch to BC will punish this Zerg heavily. As Melee Zerg revolves around using infestors to pin down mobile units these are going to be your work horse. MC is nice, but Fungal Growth is going to be your key. Try to pin them down and swing your army around them. Their slow speed and tendency to bunch should mean you can take them out of the game.
  2. Flying Zerg - Usually a muta harass strategy, you should see the BC long in advance or have Corruptors built to deal with air to air. However, if you don't for some reason you'll want to abuse the Battlecruiser's slow speed. Use hit and run tactics to string them out and then pick off members near the back. If you're having trouble with this strat, throw up some Spore Crawlers to slow them down. They won't do anything, but he'll take the time to kill them.
  3. Missile Zerg - This is actually the hardest one (strangely enough) as Hydralisks die too quickly vs Battlecruisers. You're going to have to use creep and fungal growth to keep the range advantage. In a straight up fight you'll die so try to hit and run on creep. Nydus Canal help here.
  4. Queens - its worth noting that mass queen is an amazing counter to Battlecruisers as the ability to heal and high air dps make queens tough and force BC to rely on Yamato to get any kills.

Protoss

The major Protoss strategies are as follows:

  1. 4 gate - You should have High Templar by this time, if not default to the 3gate/Robo strategy. Templar feedback is useful (and you should use it), but the killer here is Psystorm. Battlecruisers not only move slowly, they have very slow acceleration. This means they'll be slow to respond to your storms. With 2-3 Templar you should be able to blanket them and throw down more as they run.
  2. Starport - Any Protoss air unit does well against Battlecruisers. Phoenix shoot-and-scoot means you can stay out of range of running Battlecruisers, and their poor shooting method (rapid fire of low damage shots) means you will destroy them. Voidrays are actually less effective as you have to stay facing them and charge up. It isn't until you're fully charged that you'll be effective. If you can draw them out, this should be fine, otherwise sacrifice a building to charge them up.
  3. 3 gate/robo - This is the hardest point to counter from as you'll only have Stalkers which get squashed by BC. Use your faster speed as best you can. If you can get blink, use blink micro to force them to spread their damage out. Don't blink in, this is a common mistake. Instead a-move in and blink out. Recharge your shields and attack as many times as possible.

Terran

  1. 3 Rax - A MMM strategy will be able to produce cheap Marines which are more cost effective than any other unit. Even though they die faster, if you produce enough and constantly reinforce you should be fine. Use the 3 point strategy to maximize your marine's lifespan. Watch this quick video of Boxer. At the beginning you'll notice he spreads his marines out (here to reduce aoe from lurkers) he does this by taking a single control group and breaking it up into 3. This provide the ability to make a very strong "Arc." The result is he is able to bring more fire power to bay on the Lurkers than would otherwise be possible. Use the same idea against Battlecruisers. They'll be able to stack up for higher damage; forming an arc is your counter to this.
  2. Mech - A Mech heavy build will naturally suffer against battle cruisers as your main defense is Thor which have little effect. Supplement your Siege tanks with Missile Turrets with upgrades. This will force him to kill the turrets while you remove your Siege. Your main force though, will depend on Thors with heavy SCV reinforcement to take them out. Where you can, add in Marines for high dps. Marines are the most cost effective dps you have.
  3. 1:1:1 - This strategy is so effective against Battlecruisers that its most likely he won't build them, but if by some strange change he does use your Vikings. Vikings basically curb stomp Battlecruiser as they are everything the Battlecruiser is not: good vs air, long range, fast unit. Hit them at long range then run back. Since Battlecruiser shoots rapid fire weak shots, they should only get off 1 or 2, meaning you take minimal damage. If you lose this then you need to practice.

Remember, you should never think: "What unit counters X?" but rather "How do I use what I have to win?"

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WOW! The Protoss section is INCREDIBLY WRONG. –  Doug Aug 10 '10 at 13:01
    
@Doug how is it wrong? Feedback on BC with a lot of energy combined with storms will tear right through them. Combined with stalkers/phoenix –  Mark Aug 10 '10 at 16:01
    
Also, if they don't have a Raven, you can use hallucination with your Sentries and create a bunch of voidrays in addition to your army. They don't do damage but if you play your cards right your opponent will be busy attacking hallucinations instead of your actual units while your army does the damage –  Mark Aug 10 '10 at 16:05
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@Mark I did leave out more sentry/raven based strategies. There is no good reason I did this and I may add them in. I think Doug believes Void Rays are the only answer for Protoss: see his answer below. Obviously I disagree. –  tzenes Aug 10 '10 at 18:18
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@Torn The Space Battleship Yamato is one of the first successful animes. In the story line, they dig up the original Battleship Yamato (the one you referenced) and retrofit it to be a spaceship. You can find more about it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato –  tzenes Aug 11 '10 at 16:21
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Basically, either a bunch of dedicated air-to-air units (vikings, corruptors) or mass marines/hydras/stalkers.

Race-specific tips:

Zerg

  • Corruptors are really a hard-counter to battlecruisers, both because of their attack bonus (+ vs massive) and because of their special ability, which is particularly useful when fighting fewer but stronger units. Their high armor is also good against the battlecruiser's attack, which is composed of very high rate of fire but not that high damage.
  • Mind control is great against any kind of strong unit, such as battlecruiser.

Protoss

  • Void rays are useful against beefy units, and work pretty well against battlecruisers, as long as you have enough.
  • Phoenixes are actually not that good, unless you get a lot. They die too quickly, and their relatively low damage means the high armor of the battlecruiser will stop a greater percentage.
  • Feedback is pretty good against battlecruisers. Disables their yamato cannon and does a great deal of damage.
  • Blink is really useful for sniping battlecruisers. Blink the stalkers right beneath them, then target just one at a time. This is why it's important to always accompany battlecruisers with some ground army, to prevent the enemy from getting underneath.
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I have to vote this down for the first sentence. Battlecruisers have very heavy armor so phoenixes do virtually no damage to them. I had a squadron of about 10 phoenixes vs. 4 or 5 battlecruisers and I couldn't even kill one battlecruiser with focus fire. I'm not sure about vikings or corruptors however as I don't play terran or zerg much. You're going to need void rays. –  Lotus Notes Aug 9 '10 at 17:25
    
@Carl: I've addressed this in the 2nd bullet about Protoss: I agree that you need a lot of phoenixes. 10 phoenixes are actually less minerals/gas than 4-5 battlecruisers, so it's obvious they won't do; you need significantly more. –  Oak Aug 9 '10 at 20:15
    
@Oak you're forgetting the scoot and shoot, combined with BC's terrible damage style. –  tzenes Aug 10 '10 at 8:29
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@Oak I'm aware about the cost difference, but my phoenixes could only do 2 bars of damage to one battlecruiser before dying (about 10% of it's total health). There's some crazy damage reduction of light air vs. battlecruisers going on. Either that or there's some game mechanic that I'm unaware of. –  Lotus Notes Aug 10 '10 at 17:56
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@Carl fair enough, I'll update my answer. –  Oak Aug 10 '10 at 20:08
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You shouldn't be giving him the time to get those 12+ Battlecruisers.

So you should press him earlier so he doesn't get that far up the tech tree AND has the time to built that many Battlecruisers

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Not all the matches are played in the game’s sandboxes. Some people plays with infinite resouces and creates huge bases in huge maps. –  Martín Marconcini Aug 8 '10 at 14:08
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Even pro matches have players getting to Battlecruisers (TLO is famous for this), so I think the odds of us mere mortals stopping them is non-existant. –  tzenes Aug 8 '10 at 18:18
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First of all, I do not understand why people are telling you, "You should not give him that much time to build 12 Battlecruisers in the first place". That is clearly not a solution to fighting Battlecruisers.

For Protoss players up against Battlecruisers, Phoenixes CANNOT take on Battlecruisers. Go try it, they will get demolished. You HAVE TO get Voidrays against Battlecruisers. Voidrays were made for this reason. The charge is the only thing that can drop their HP and storm does not work effectively on mech units. Also, a side note, you can charge your Voidrays before you enter a battle by attacking a rock or even your own structures (if you are desperate).

You can also get Mothership with Carriers and Voidrays as well. If you do, do not worry about letting your mothership die. While it is tanking, you can destroy half of your opponents fleet by then.

Basically, nothing other than Protoss air (Voidrays, Carriers, Mothership) can take on Battlecruisers. I should say, not as well. If you find yourself stuck in a Gateway build, then you should try out tzene's strategy. Otherwise, you should go air against Battlecruisers.

However, if you run into a situation where he has the superior army then you can always aim for a base race; Avoid his army and wait until he attacks, so you can attack his base without him defending.

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@Dough It is strange how you tell him its impossible to prevent someone from building Battlecruisers, but then require he build Voidrays. I'm not saying Voidrays aren't powerful, just that this stand point seems hypocritical. Perhaps if you could elaborate on how he should produce these Voidrays when he suddenly finds himself against 12 BC? Also, why do you say storm is not effective against mech? It does identical damage to mech and bio. Also, I think you mean demolished not diminished. –  tzenes Aug 10 '10 at 18:21
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@tzenes Go try to storm mech, their health does not drop like bio units do because they have way more HP. He was asking for a solution for fighting against 12 Battlecruisers yet people focused on preventing it rather than battling it. Look, if you suddenly find yourself against 12 BC then you would have to stick with what you have, but that is not the case. He asked "How should [he] prepare [his] army...". Now, you also suggested him to use Phoenixes and said that Voidrays are LESS useful while it is the contrary. And yes, I did mean demolish, thank you. –  Doug Aug 10 '10 at 22:54
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@Doug not only have I stormed mech, but I've done so with large success. Now, maybe its just because I play in Diamond, but I rarely change my overall strategy based on something like Battlecruisers, I always work with what I have. I may build more Stalkers than I would otherwise, or a few extra Templar, but I'm not going to throw down 3 Starports and hope to power out Voidrays in time. –  tzenes Aug 10 '10 at 23:10
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@Doug I agree they are better at killing the BC than the Stalker is. I don't agree they're better to get. If I'm in a 4 gate (or possibly 6 gate + robo or starport) situation and I'm trying to attack someone running on 12 BC, I'm not going to throw down 3 more Starports, and Chronoboost Voidrays, because the reality is they'll never arrive in time. In that situation I'd push with Stalker/Templar (as WhiteRa does making them run through Storms and Blinking back). –  tzenes Aug 10 '10 at 23:22
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@Carl don't see what league any of us are in as being relevant information, but he asked and I saw no harm in answering. What's more, I didn't down vote this answer, I just disagree with parts of it, most specifically the terms "cannot" and "have to." I believe Phoenix can stop BC (as I have) and that Voidrays are not the only answer. –  tzenes Aug 12 '10 at 19:32
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