# How exactly does Force translate to Damage?

So, for some reason, the Mass Effect series likes to express the potency of various abilities - particularly biotic powers, in Newtons of Force, rather than the amount of damage they deal.

Unfortunately, there is absolutely no mechanical transparency given as to how any given amount of Force will ever translate to any given amount of damage. Or for that matter, how any given amount of Force ever translates to anything, other than the implicit understanding that moar Newtons is moar better, because Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space. Is it linear? Are there any multiplier effects involved? Do targets have a 'mass' attribute that effects their ability to be affected by powers that are measured in Newtons?

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I would assume that enemies have a mass attribute, as some are affected by powers like slam more than others. – MBraedley Mar 9 '12 at 22:30
Excellent question! – Brysonic Mar 9 '12 at 22:35
An additional note: While I'm specifically interested in how this works in ME3, if you happen to be able to provide information on how it has worked previously in the series your answer, I'd greatly appreciate it. – LessPop_MoreFizz Mar 9 '12 at 22:41
patiently waits for someone to post a long and detailed offtopic physics 101 answer ;) – z ' Mar 9 '12 at 22:45
I'm not familiar with Biotic abilities and I'm trying to work this one out for you, but the only power that I can find that is only measured in Newtons is Throw (are there others?). Are there any enemies that are not actually moved by this skill yet still take damage? As near as I can tell so far, Enemies seem to have some mass attribute which determines the effect that Newton-based forces will have on them and the velocity and force with which they interact with the environment determines the damage dealt. – skovacs1 May 2 '12 at 14:39

Why would you assume force translates to damage? Force translates to how far you can push the target. Pushing them is not inherently damaging, but will in some cases (e.g. pushing them off an edge or into a wall) do damage.

Here are just some of the factors that would play into the amount of damage a forceful effect would have:

• Number of newtons
• Material of wall
• Distance to wall
• Mass of enemy
• "Hardness" of enemy, e.g. squishy husks are probably more damaged by hitting a wall than armored brutes
• Lifted or not

All of these will also, of course, apply to other situations where an enemy collides with a surface (e.g. falling). There's a complete physics simulation involved, so trying to directly translate to damage is doomed to failure.

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I agree here, and was going to post a similar answer before seeing it. Force != damage at all. The damage comes from impact with an object, and as Domenic said, many other factors come into play there. – Izzy Apr 26 '12 at 8:49

Force is a comparative measurement just like damage is. You don't actually see the health of your opponents or their damage mitigation, however because ability "A" does more damage than ability "B", than ability "A" must logically take more squares off the enemies health meter.

The same holds true for force. If ability "A" has more newtons of force than ability "B", then it will push the enemy further, or higher or whatever you are trying to achieve. If your trying to translate damage into force, you are really just translating two non-numeric relative measurements.

Also note that impact force can affect shields as well, for example Shockwave. This is again an abstract measurement, if an ability has more force than another ability, the ability with more force will cause more damage to the target's shield.

Edit, here is a technical diagram I drew in paint:

edit 2,

Here I used Throw to push away a Husk. The Husk was in melee range and I threw it back with 600N of force, and it ended 6 "strides" away from me. A stride being one full step from Shepard. Note that the effect was not the same (or even close) on much more armored opponents. This effect was reproducible on two more Husks. I currently do not have any other ability that exerts "force" to test.

edit 3, conclusion

Here I used Throw rank 3 to push away another Husk, the same conditions applied. This was tested twice.

This means an extra 180N of force produced an extra 2 "strides" of pushing distance. However we can account for rounding problems in calculating strides to conclude that,

On a Husk (~200lb?), 100N of force equals 1 stride of "pushing power" at a plane of force perpendicular to the ground.

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And absolutely no game specific information... – Raven Dreamer Mar 9 '12 at 22:54
Comparing two relative measurements is important though, because I want an idea whether my gun or my biotic power is going to hurt something more, but there doesn't seem to be any way to compare them besides using both and tracking the result. – bwarner Mar 9 '12 at 22:58
Updated to include in-game measurements. – Resorath Mar 10 '12 at 22:02
Okay, but how does any of that translate to damage? Y'know, as in reduction in enemy health? – LessPop_MoreFizz Mar 11 '12 at 16:25
+1 for experimental SCIENCE! – Brandon Mar 16 '12 at 20:30