Timeline for How to compare different Pokémon with the same CP?
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| Nov 1, 2016 at 21:01 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir, I apologize, I went through numerous drafts before posting this answer and apparently I removed the formula for CP that I thought I'd left in there!! Look here for the formula! | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:53 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir no worries. Hopefully it all makes sense now. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:32 | vote | accept | Eulali Cumir | ||
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:32 | comment | added | Eulali Cumir | OK, sorry about misquoting you. It definitely wasn't intentional. HP having too small effect in CP is a news for me and now it's much clearer why you picked HP as a rule of thumb up in comments at my question. Perfect, thanks a lot for your time!! | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:29 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir, you're misquoting me. I said strength. Strength is CP and HP. You keep ignoring what I have been saying about HP this whole time. HP doesn't factor into CP as much as ATK so a super high HP Pokemon could have a deceptively low CP (Chansey, for instance). Snorlax is objectively better than Raticate for a very large range of levels, as shown in my example, just as Lapras is objectively better than Cloyster for a large, albeit smaller, range. I'm not sure what you are still confused about at this point. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:26 | comment | added | Eulali Cumir | Exactly, with one minor detail - "When two Pokemons are of equal CP, which is stronger". CP is a terrible measurement of pokemon's usefulness. Otherwise, it would be kind of ideal. No matter what pokemon with 550 CP I get, I get the same results (provided they have same moveset and we ignore attack types). But if that was true, then it's contradiction to what you stated above about Snorlax being better than Raticate or Lapras better than Cloyster. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:24 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir, for this specific calculation, check the IV Rater. I did a couple comparisons in my answer already for Raticate v. Snorlax as well as Cloyster v. Lapras. For this one, a Pidgey can have, at most, 679 CP and 75 HP with 100% perfect IVs. At level 8, a 0% perfect Dragonite will have 691 CP and 68 HP. I'm not sure what exactly you'd want a level 40.0 Pidgey for though, as the Stardust and Candy cost would be astronomically high for how ridiculously useless that Pidgey would be... The reason Dragonite, Vaporeon, Lapras, etc. are good is that they have high CP for their levels always. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:20 | comment | added | Eulali Cumir | Thanks again for your comment. But here you hit the nail. Dragonite level 1 is weaker than Pidgey level 40, but Dragonite level 10 is (perhaps) stronger. 1) I am unable to extract this knowledge from that page, 2) what level are they about the same useful in gyms then? | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:18 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir the question you seem to be trying to ask is "When two Pokemon are of equal strength, which is stronger?" but the question is answered in the question itself. They are of equal strength, which is why the CP is the same. The different base stats cause the CP to be affected differently, though ATK is the biggest influence. Pokemon with slightly lower ATK than its peers but much higher HP and/or DEF will be about the same CP but you will notice a huge difference when battling with them. While the tanky Pokemon will not deal damage as fast, it will outlast the others. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:13 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir level really doesn't matter for that computation. Level really is just a multiplier on the base stats + IVs. Each level increase raises the stats by a set number. Thus, with similar or the same CP, two Pokemon will have relatively similar stats as well. While a level 1 Dragonite will not be better than a level 40 Pidgey, a level 10 Dragonite very well could be. The reason Dragonite will not be a better choice than a Vaporeon much higher level than it is due to the fact that Vaporeon has a high CP cap, just like Dragonite. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 20:11 | comment | added | Eulali Cumir | Thanks, I know that page, but it doesn't help me. A pokemon with higher stats will have lower level if it should have same CP as a pokemon with lower stats. But level also matters when computing damage (otherwise lvl 1 Dragonite would be a better pick than a level 40 Pidgey or even Vaporeon), which is why I was asking. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 19:54 | comment | added | Vemonus | @EulaliCumir yes, just use the Species Base Stats page. The scales give you an idea of what each species' strengths and weaknesses are. | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 19:52 | comment | added | Eulali Cumir | With regard to the very first advice. How exactly should the page be used? You mean that "SPECIES" tab? How can it help? Sorry if I am just dumb :) | |
| Nov 1, 2016 at 17:16 | history | answered | Vemonus | CC BY-SA 3.0 |