I've been playing a lot of ranked in League of Legends and I've had games where I end up with a positive K/D score. For example, I played Shen, scored 16/3/12 and we lost. My team fed but I still lost points, 18 LP to be precise. Do you lose points when you lost and get them when you win or is there some other system effecting my rank?

  • 16 kills on shen, only 3 deaths and your team lost? You should probably be ulting in on your carries more, and using feints and dashes rather than Vorpals.
    – user41604
    Mar 18, 2013 at 10:49

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Your in-game score is irrelevant for LP gain/loss. It is calculated based on the game's estimation of the relative skill differences between your team and their team, as calculated by win/loss history; and by the difference between your current LP and the game's estimation of your skill level. This second category helps dampen the effects of streakiness, and ensures that there's a penalty for a loss even in D5 of a league.

As a side note, if you have that many kills as Shen, and your team keeps dying, it's possible that you need to work on your teamwork a bit more, saving people with a well-timed taunt/shield.

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    And give your AP/AD carry some kills instead of Shen...
    – Joetjah
    Mar 15, 2013 at 15:02
  • Can you please give us the source about the penalty for a loss even in D5. Cause i read that you can't drop from your league but what happens if you keep loosing at 0 LP in D5 ?
    – Hystic
    Mar 18, 2013 at 10:23
  • @Hystic You can't lose League Points; the penalty is a lower MMR, which reduces the number of League Points you'll gain when you start winning, until the numbers are more in alignment.
    – Sconibulus
    Mar 18, 2013 at 12:11
  • So... There more you are in the sh** the harder it is to get out of it :-/
    – Hystic
    Mar 18, 2013 at 13:31
  • Fun Fact: I won all of the matches to get up to my gold promo, dodged my gold promo, won 3 to get back into my gold promo, dodged my first gold promo game, won one two more, got into promos, dodged... I'm up to about 1650 MMR in silver 1, I win over 30 LP for wins and lose 4-5 lp when I lose now :P
    – user41604
    Mar 20, 2013 at 11:25

Your kill/death ratio has very little to do with the LP you win/lose. Else it wouldn't be fair for the support since he'll get almost no kills. Besides, everybody would be scared to fight due to the possibility to die (and lose LP accordingly). This way, nobody would help you in fights anymore.

The way LP is distributed is hidden though. The matchmaking system makes a calculation on who will win, and their odds of winning.

The less chance you have to win, the more League Points (and hidden ELO points) you'll get if you do manage to win. If you receive a high amount of LP, the system expected you to lose versus the opponent. If you'd indeed lose, you wouldn't lose that much LP

The other way around is possible as well. If you win and receive a low amount of LP, the system expected you to win. Therefore, you gain a low amount of LP.

If you get near the promotion series, it's possible you gain very little LP (even 0 LP gained is possible). In meanwhile, your hidden ELO goes up. You'll get better at the game while the system determines if you are indeed worthy of promoting. If your ELO matches your LP standings, you'll be able to promote since you've proven yourself worthy of that division/league.

So to answer your question in short: Yes, you lose points when you lose and win points when you win.

The amount of the points you win or lose is based upon several hidden variables. Known is your ELO and your opponents ELO have influence on the points gained or lost.

If the system thinks you should win, you gain little LP for winning and more for losing, but your opponents are statistically seen worse then you. If the system thinks you should lose, you gain a lot of LP for winning and less for losing, but it'll be a harder game since the other team is statistically seen better.

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    You mean "win points when you win" right? cause the way it's worded seems like a lose-lose situation to me... Mar 15, 2013 at 15:00
  • Yes, I've must have messed that up. I edited my answer.
    – Joetjah
    Mar 15, 2013 at 15:01

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