Is it possible to raise the thieves guild without doing the Nightingale questline? Because I have been doing a lot of quests for Vex and Delvin, but it seems I can't get the special quests. Is there anything I can do to change that, or do I have to deliver the lock pick thingy back? And does it matter what quests you do, if you don't have to deliver the lock pick back?

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    @3ventic Seems to be asking about the takeover quests that give the Guild some control back in each hold, rather than becoming the Guild Master, which makes the answer a resounding yes, instead of the no in the other question. – Billy Mailman Aug 18 '13 at 16:42
  • See also Skeleton Key: Return or Keep? – LessPop_MoreFizz Aug 18 '13 at 17:10
  • I didn't mention anything about guild master? @3ventic – Lizzie Aug 18 '13 at 18:01
  • @Lizzie No, you didn't, but raising the thieves guild involves becoming the guild master in the end. However, I said possible for a reason. It doesn't appear to be so. :) – 3ventic Aug 18 '13 at 18:09
  • @Vaishali No idea, but apparently it is the same question just different use of words... In their opinion,, :-) – Lizzie Jan 20 '14 at 2:04

If you are just looking to do the special takeover quests for Delvin Mallory that give the Thieves' Guild back its old prominence and control in the major holds, then yes, you can do that without completing the main Thieves' Guild questline and giving back the Skeleton Key. You just need to have done five of the Delvin/Vex quests in that hold (any hold they give except Riften), and Delvin will mention the special quest when you next return.

If you are looking to become the full-fledged Guildmaster, then you will need to not only do those special quests, but also complete the main Thieves' Guild quests, including giving up the Skeleton Key.

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You have to do the Nightingale questline in order to become the guild master. What it entails is to return the skeleton key (lock-pick thingy).

Once you have done that complete 5 special jobs in the 4 major holds (Windhelm, Whiterun, Solitude, and Markarth).

In order to do this you need Delvin and Vex's jobs in the 4 major holds. You need to complete 5 of them in each of the 4 major holds.

Once all of this is done you have restored the guild to its glory. HTH

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