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I have played many games of CK2 now but cannot figure out why when I win a war I NEVER gain any territory, but when I lose I often lose a county or two! Even when I siege all the cities/temples/castles/etc on that land it never ends up belonging to me even when I have a valid claim (casus beli) to it! So HOW do I gain land and WHY am I losing it?

  • I just surrended in a war i couldn't win i had 3/4 demesne and suddenly its game over. when i offered surrender it didnt say anywhere in the surrender conditions that would be i lose all my land... so why did it do that? is it some random catastrophe of surrender? – user71935 Mar 21 '14 at 14:56
  • That depends on the what the war was fought over, or who was doing the fighting. For example, if your 3/4 was three holdings in one county (castle, town and church) and someone attacked you for a religious cause (Norse, Islamc etc), then you'd lose all the holdings in that county if you surrender. – Xantec Mar 21 '14 at 18:02
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There are a variety of ways to go to war. When you declare war, read the Casus Belli very carefully. It turns out that while the Medieval and Renaissance eras didn't have a United Nations or equivalent, they did have to deal with similar fallout: if you went to war because you're a warmongering monster bent on conquering the world, the countries near you would probably form a temporary alliance and beat you senseless. Therefore, wars were usually fought for "valid"† reasons: somebody had a claim on a bit of land (discovered by carefully reading family trees‡, being a scholar of genealogy, and/or making one up!), because their opponents were heretics/heathens, or because they were rising in rebellion.

Some Common Cassus Belli

Here are a few common CBs and their results if you win:

  • Your claim (possibly multiple): you get that county/duchy, and no others. Regardless of how many castles you siege and how many armies you destroy, you're only going to get the county/duchy that you went to war over. (You can go to war over multiple claims that you have at the same time, but not a combination of your claims and your vassals' claims.)
  • Your vassal's claim: Once you win, your vassal gets the land (and loves you dearly). This will expand your kingdom, but it won't expand your personal demesne. (Note: if the title you're taking is equal to your rank, your vassal will become independent! If you're a duke, don't press your vassals' claims on duchies; if you're a king, don't press your vassals' claims on kingdoms.)
  • A claim from a member of your court: When you win, that courtier is going to take over the title. If they have no other titles, then they're just going to be independent. (This is why, if you use courtiers' claims, you should give them some minor title first: a city, church, or castle is enough for them to still be your vassal afterwards.)
  • Opponent is excommunicated: Once you win, your opponent abdicates, and his heir takes over. You'll only get things if you're the heir.
  • De jure claim: You kingdom/duchy will definitely expand, but the title can go to one of three possible people. If it's the last county owned by someone, then they become a vassal (of you or your vassal, depending on who owns the duchy). If it's not their last county, then either you or your vassal gain the county.
  • Wars over independence, deposing your liege, or refusing arrest (a.k.a. war against tyranny): In all cases, nobody gains anything. Deposing your liege just means his heir takes over, losing against tyranny just means you're arrested (and the liege, as a separate action, can revoke a title), and winning against tyranny just lowers the crown laws.
  • Holy War: The person pressing the holy war takes the named title as part of their personal demesne, including all lower titles. If you wage holy war to take a duchy, you'll have plenty of titles to hand out afterward. (Again, if you destroy other castles/armies/kingdoms, you still only get the bit of land you mentioned in your initial Casus Belli.)
  • Crusade/Jihad/Great Holy War: These are called by the leader of a religion, regarding a Kingdom. If the war is successful, the land is handed over to the noble whose armies contributed most to the war.

Why you might have lost everything on losing a war

On a separate note, when you lost your war, it would depend on what the war was about. If they had a claim on your duchy (I'm assuming you had a single duchy with three counties in it), then that's it: you lose everything. Also keep in mind that the holder of the duchy title can revoke counties, it just causes a hit to the duke's opinion with his other vassals. If he has no other vassals, then he can simply revoke everything and you're out of a job. Similarly, if they were simply deposing you, and you had no heirs, then that's it: your dynasty has ended. And if it was a Holy War for your last duchy/county, then surrendering means that you lose all of the titles in that duchy/county.

Footnotes

†: One historical example: in 1215, a bunch of English barons rebelled against King John. The barons won, but John remained King afterward; they just limited some of his kingly powers via the Magna Carta, a document that they made him sign. In Crusader Kings II terms, this is a War Against Tyrrany/Resisting Arrest, which reduces crown authority.

‡: One more example, because I can't resist: The Hundred Years' War was kicked off in 1337 at least partially because the King of England had a better claim on the Kingdom of France than the current King of France did!

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    +1. Also (you may have mentioned it but I missed it), you can't have vassals of the same rank as you, so if you're a king, and go to war on another kingdom on behalf of your vassal's claim, when you win the war he will be king, and since you're also a king, he will be independent and you didn't gain anything (except a friendly fellow king) – Rodolfo Mar 21 '14 at 20:52
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When you go to war, you must have a valid Casus Belli. There are many different CB types. When you select the CB upon declaring war, look at who you are going to war for, and why. This will determine not only what the "prize" or goal of the war is, but who recieves it - in many cases, a member of your court who may or may not be a direct vassal.

I would reccomend reading up on the different CB types and reference this page before going to war.

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Casus_Belli

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    Generally speaking, if the person you're fighting for is of your dynasty (has a little blood drop on their picture) and/or you have a 'de jure' claim on the title (is part of a duchy, kingdom or empire you control) then you'll gain that territory when you win. – Xantec Mar 21 '14 at 17:51
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Yeah, you need to read VERY VERY VERY carefully what the reason for the war is, because that is EXACTLY what is at stake.

Most likely if you're fighting wars and not getting anything, you've been challenging on other people's claims who then get the territory and most likely leave your realm since they're probably equal or higher tier then you or weren't landed to your realm yet.

It's also possible that they were fighting in another war that was related that would nullify the war when they lost that one. (It'll usually warn you that this is a possible outcome before you declare the war if it applies).

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