Often against Protoss they start with zealots, but I usually block my ramp with 3 roaches in time so they pose little threat. But shortly afterwards they mass stalkers and send in ~12 stalkers as I am expanding and getting a lair which overwhelm my roaches. (~15, say).

Zerglings as supposed to work against stalkers, but I didn't find them very effective against a large ball of them. How should you deal with them?

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    Zerglings do work very well against stalkers. 12 stalkers costs 1500 minerals and 600 gas. For 1500 minerals and 100 gas you can get 56 speedlings - did you have that many, or was your opponent's army much more expensive than yours?
    – JoeG
    Mar 11, 2011 at 10:39

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So here is your problem: you're trying to figure out what you need right now. This is just about the worst thing you can do strategically. In your defense, this is a very common mistake (more common on the NA servers than EU and KR, but it happens there too). Instead of trying to out play your opponent, you're trying to out think your opponent, and that would work really well if Starcraft was chess.

Starcraft is not chess...

I could give you a long explanation of the differences between the two (like the asynchronous knowledge problem, or how terrain plays an important role, or the perennial Macro vs Micro), but ultimately its going to boil down to the simple fact that: turn based and real time are completely different kinds of games.

So let's back up an examine all the things you did wrong:

I usually block my ramp with 3 roaches

Here is what I read: "I went 1 base (as Zerg) Roach play to delay a 2-3 Gate Protoss". The issue with this kind of one base play is that you're sacrificing a very large macro advantage. Since a Zerg's production is proportional to the number of Hatcheries, any sort of one base play means that you're on one Hatch or your second Hatch isn't doing double duty as a drop off point for minerals. In either case that's a sacrifice right there.

as I am expanding and getting a lair

So you went one base Roach play into... expand. Here is the issue with that. You made a very large Macro sacrifice to go Roaches off of one base, and usually a player does this because they want to be aggressive (a reasonable reason to make a sacrifice), but you didn't. Instead, after making that sacrifice you decided it was time to invest in your Economy and Tech. This sort of makes that earlier sacrifice meaningless. You essentially set yourself back for no reason.

and getting a lair

Its also worth noting that if you're investing in these two things at the same time, you're not going to have the economy to be able to also produce units. The reason many Zergs go for an early expansion but a late lair is that the cost of a Lair is very high for very little benefit (the Lair itself doesn't actually get you anything, just the ability to research/build new things). Now the things that depend on it are powerful, but you're not going to see that payoff for a long time, so if you're facing early pressure its often worth it to stay on Roach/Ling longer.

Now I don't know why you're making all these mistakes, but I'm willing to guess the real problem you're having is dealing with early Zealot pressure (which is why you're going one base Roach). So I guess my advice to you is:


I honestly can't say this enough. If you're losing to some crazy early pressure its usually not because you built the wrong unit. Starcraft is not a game of Rock/Paper/Scissors. If you're losing early, its because you're getting out played. You need to work on your execution, clear out all the extra time where your units are waiting around doing nothing, and you'll find that all of a sudden this early play is actually really easy to deal with. It's almost like magic (if working hard and training is considered magic...).

Pick a good build (like 14gas, 14pool, 18 expand), drill it down, get good at it.

Once you have that mastered, those early Zealots will fall easily, and when he does that Stalker push (I'm assuming Blink stalkers) you'll find yourself with an 60 food army and the situation will become laughable. You'll wonder why anyone would ever attack with 15 stalkers!

PS. I once upon wrote a decent answer to Zerg's dealing with a 4 Gate, not shockingly it reads very closely to this answer. It might be worth looking at.

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    I've started making early the lair as otherwise I've been voidrayed to death early on. I guess the key is more scouting to try to avoid unnecessarily trying to counter too much stuff at once! Stick to a plan, and then react when you have to.
    – Nick
    Mar 10, 2011 at 18:53
  • @tzenes I was going to give a similar answer when I got back from class, but instead I returned to see you had already written it. Glad to see I wasn't the only person who wanted to answer "you're doing it wrong" instead of "here is how you kill 12 stalkers". Mar 10, 2011 at 19:30
  • @Nick If you are looking to improve, I would recommend checking out the adopt a noob program, details are here: teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170066 Mar 10, 2011 at 19:33
  • @Nick if you're having a lot of problems with Void Ray rushes, build a third Queen. With an early expansion you should have at least two Queens (pro tip: ALWAYS connect your natural expansion before larval injecting it). Queens actually out dps Hydralisks against air and 2 Queens will take down a Void Ray (unless its already charged). 3 Queens can take down 2 Void Rays (rush timing is usually 1 or 2), plus you have a third queen for heals or extra creep spreading.
    – tzenes
    Mar 10, 2011 at 20:57
  • If VR is charged Queens still can kill him (if Transfuse is used in time).
    – Budda
    Mar 10, 2011 at 23:52

First of all, zerglings get much more effective when you have the metabolic boost upgrade. You should get that whenever you plan on getting a sizable number of zerglings.

Against stalkers, zerglings are rather effective, especially for their cost. Of course with 20 zerglings you won't stand a chance against 15 stalkers, but that is no surprise, since they are a much lower investment. For the cost of 15 stalkers you could get 90 zerglings, and that would then be a rather short and one-sided battle.

So when you go with zerglings, build a lot of them. Their strength is to surround the enemy and attack form all sides, and they need to have sufficient numbers to do so. Getting 90 might be impractical in the early game because that uses up a lot of larva, but make sure you have enough to surround the enemy army.

Adding a few roaches to your zerglings might also be a good idea, since they can attack from the distance while zerglings use up all the melee attack space.


Zerg requires, in my opinion, a lot more micro to use the race effectively as compared to other races. When I've got a ball of Stalkers coming for me I usually try to use roaches to kite the Stalkers into a trap and then attack from multiple sides immediately surrounding the Stalkers.

As you can imagine, this doesn't always work against a good opponent. If your opponent doesn't take the bait, push hard and use the roaches to draw fire while you surround them with the Zerglings. The roaches armor should give them a few moments to survive, and once you've got the stalkers surrounded, pull your roaches back and as soon as they are no longer under fire, bring them back into the fight.

Either of these two strategies should help you fight a stalker ball.

Also, in order for Zerglings to work effectively against pretty much anything you absolutely need Metabolic Boost. It is always the first upgrade I get as soon as I have enough gas. You also need a lot of them and you need some other unit (as with most of Zerg) to support them, such as Roaches or my personal favorite, Hydras.


Saying short, roaches arent good vs stalkers, try LBH (ling-bane-Hydra) 1 hydra do double damage compared with roach...

Using roaches against Protoss is tricky, not only inmortal, voidray.... Even raw mass stalker toss counter roach hard..., 1 stalker oneshot 1 roach even without micro and blink, so better expand hard with queens, expand creep, mass lings and banes, try to harrass with lings to maintain him contained in 2-1 less bases than you and reach hydras...

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