In my most recent game, the Holy Roman Emperor has set up an anti-pope, but the thing is the current legitimate pope is a vassal of the HRE anyway? So why on Earth did he do that?

And aren't I, as follower of the OP (originial pope), suppose to get a CB on the HRE? I don't seem to have an option to declare war over his AP.

Here's the current pope. Note he doesn't like his Liege Kaiser Otto IV, but mainly because he controls the anti pope: Current Pope

Here's the anti pope. Note he's also controlled by Otto. Anti Pope

After Otto died, it seems I then got my CB on his successor.

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    They're marketing him as New Pope. Then, when everyone hates him, they'll return to Pope Classic and make millions. Nov 5, 2014 at 21:35
  • Is it possible that the current emperor is relatively new to the throne? Maybe he had already set up an antipope, from before he became emperor.
    – Nix
    Nov 5, 2014 at 22:37
  • @Nix: I don't believe that is the case. I think he's been emperor for a while. At least he was when I went to war with him before the anti-pope thing popped up.
    – Wjousts
    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:18

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Running the numbers, the Old Pope would have had a -5 with Otto even without the Anti-Pope modifier. Assuming you didn't take the first screen shot directly after discovering this, the penalty for Short Reign would have been larger, making for an even bigger negative.

I could see an AI Emporer deciding to set up an Anti-Pope if a lot of his Bishops are paying taxes to the Pope instead of to him and the Pope already doesn't like him. If I had a Vassal Pope that didn't like me and all the power of the HRE at my disposal I might replace the Pope too. It's probably easier than trying to assassinate him and hope the Cardinals get someone more your style.

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