When my character killed Grelod the Kind, it was with a crouched sneak attack from behind using a conjured sword in her personal bedroom with the door closed. This did not increment any of my crimes -- assault and murder counters remained at zero. Is it possible to do the same with Astrid in the Abandoned Shack?

Since she is the corner, there is no way to get out of her line of sight. You cannot get out unless someone dies it seems, but my end goal will be to destroy the Dark Brotherhood. At the same time, it would be nice if my crime counters (other than lockpicking) were still at zero when all is said and done.

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    Its been a long time since i last played skyrim but? : i.imgur.com/BT84X.png Jan 13, 2015 at 13:44
  • @MarcoGeertsma LOL. No need.
    – user92092
    Jan 13, 2015 at 14:00
  • Actually, I don't think you get any bounty for killing Grelod either way. She has 1 HP for the quest, and is scripted to die that way, so hidden or not, you should be safe.
    – user92092
    Jan 13, 2015 at 14:01
  • Would some fury spell work on Astrid? Or does killing people who attacked you in a rage still count as assault? Or doesn't it work on Astrid?
    – Arperum
    Jan 15, 2015 at 0:07

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Stop bounty from increasing

So, in your little shack, you have the 3 captives, and Astrid.

You simply walk up to Astrid, give her a love tap (kill her), and walk right out of the shack.

The reason why it's that easy is because of the below:

  • The people are blinded by their hoods, and are not classes as "free" NPC's. They are scripted to sit down and not move. You won't get bounty from killing Astrid if their still alive, just as you wouldn't if you kill any of them.
  • Astrid is the only "free" NPC that can see you. After killing her, if you got a bounty at all (which you won't), it will immediately disappear as Astrid is the only witness to the crime.

I mean, who would put bounty on your head for killing the leader of the most feared group of Assassins in all of Tamriel?

Stop assaults from increasing

The sad thing is, is that Assaults are as vital of a statistic as Distance Walked. They can't be erased or worked around. (I don't know much about Assaults myself) But judging on everything we have been commenting about, Assaults is more of a "This is how many people you have killed" counter.

I never look at it anyway. You will have to kill people sometime.

As for Astrid's situation, it's up to you. You either kill her, get 1 Assault increment, or kill 1, 2 or 3 of her captives, and get 1 Assault increment each.

As for Grelod, well, as I have stated many times, I believe she is the one worthless, 1 HP woman, who when you kill, has either been scripted to raise nothing (doesn't even give me a bounty when Michelle see's me kill her), or it was your lucky day and you got glitched.

  • I tried that, but my assault counter incremented by one. It makes sense considering that she was not an enemy when I attacked her. Are you saying that my attack has to be strong enough to kill her in one hit? Jan 13, 2015 at 14:05
  • @NoctisSkytower Did you kill her? Or just tap her? Also try killing the others. Their no use anyway. :P
    – user92092
    Jan 13, 2015 at 14:06
  • @NoctisSkytower Another thing you can try, is to get right into the corner of the bookcase, and just one hit her.
    – user92092
    Jan 13, 2015 at 14:11
  • After punching her, my "Assaults" definitely read as "1" in the menu. If I kill after that, the count does not reduce itself back to zero. Is there something I am doing wrong? Jan 14, 2015 at 0:01
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    Well, I killed her with a legendary ebony sword doing 4096 damage (one hit kill). Assaults still went up by one. My guess is that either my character must never sleep or must be able to justify assaulting the leader of a murderous organization. The later sounds like a better option. Jan 14, 2015 at 1:58

You don't because the other people are blindfolded with masks so astrid is the only npc that can see you and you carnt get a bounty from someone who is dead - Bethsdea made it realistic if you know what I mean.

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