I've noticed that my Spymasters have been dying at a suspiciously high rate. I've gone through 3 of them in about six months. Now, this could just be bad luck, but considering that it's Crusader Kings, and they're my Spymasters, I find this... dubious.

It states that they died of natural causes, but I was wondering: What does the death of a person who was murdered look like to someone who wasn't in on the plot? Is it "died of natural causes"?

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If you are not aware of the plots then the deaths would usually appear accidental. Hunting accidents and the like. Or natural if the killer used poison. Or as @Phillip says "Under mysterious circumstances" if there is a suspicion of wrong doing but no proof. Which one you get depends on the type of plot and then very much on your intrigue value and that of the plotters to decide whether you remain blissfully unaware, suspicious or know it's actually murder. If you do know who the murderer is then the dead character will have a red skull by their picture and clicking on this red skull will take you to their killer.

It sounds like you most likely have a courtier whose current ambition is to become spymaster and is proceeding to kill their way in to the position. They will keep on killing as long as they are your courtier and are not the current spymaster. Go through your courtiers and see if you can identify who has the ambition and either appoint them or eliminate them.

If you can't find anyone then your previous spymasters must have had a relativley low intrigue value to be killed off so easily? It sounds like you need to get a better spymaster and place them in your capital to uncover plots.

The best way to do this is look for a lowly courtier in another country with a very good intrigue rating and invite him to your court, bribes will get them interested in moving but don't waste your money if they already have a high opinion of their current liege as the likelihood is they wont even consider it. Or you could look for young princess who are third or fourth in line and therefore willing to move as they want you to press their claim.

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    I also had some very important people (like claimants in a press-claim war) die "under mysterious circumstances" which is quite obviously a plot-murder.
    – Philipp
    Apr 21, 2015 at 12:16
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    Yep, the AI in crusader kings 2 is generally ruthless and hence ambitious characters seem to be quite willing to kill their own mothers and every other living organism in order to inherit that lowly Barony as soon as possible. The problem is the AI doesn't really have any other plots open to them other than murder when it comes to inheritance.
    – DMK
    Apr 21, 2015 at 13:42
  • I think you misunderstood me. I mean "[Character] died under mysterious circumstances" was literally the message I received.
    – Philipp
    Apr 21, 2015 at 13:50
  • I picked up on that after Id commented so I've added it to the answer :)
    – DMK
    Apr 21, 2015 at 13:57
  • Just to add to your suggestion of getting a good council - I take it a step further and consistently marry off uninheriting children to anybody with high stats (on agnatic-cognatic females can be treasurer and spymaster). Just remember to 1) marry matrilineally for princesses and 2) not to give them any titles because then their spouses won't be in your court anymore, even if they're your direct vassal. This way I consistently have councillors with 20+ ratings and nephews/nieces with pretty good traits (although this can be very bad). May 10, 2015 at 21:24

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