This is related to How can I persuade my lords to pass a law? but not a duplicate.

I am an independent grand-duke of Ireland (control 2 duchies and have no liege). I currently have minimal centralization, which is a bummer because I have no duke level vassals and a full demesne. Raising centralization from min to low would increase my demesne maximum by 1 and decrease my vassal limit from 28 to 23.

When I select the new law, it says I have 3/11 votes, all of which come from me. The other 8 mayors and bishops from my 4 counties are all opposed to the law. All of my vassals have positive opinions of me, including 3 bishops at 98~100 and a mayor at 80.

Why this isn't a duplicate: The other question is about crown authority, which I gather you can only raise if you are a king, not a petty king, so the other asker must have duke-level vassals. Is the centralization law somehow different from crown authority that prevents lowborn vassals from voting for it?

Also, the answers to the other question focus on raising the opinion of vassals. Would that do me any good if some of the vassals are already maxed on opinion? Would raising a +20 opinion to a +50 be enough to flip a vote if the +100 opinions aren't even voting for me?

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    Just wait a few months if their opinion is high.
    – Affine
    Commented May 25, 2015 at 21:57
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    Thanks @Affine. No where I had read explained that votes take time to settle. If you want to post an answer, I'll accept yours instead.
    – Dacio
    Commented May 27, 2015 at 0:27

2 Answers 2


When you propose a law, all your vassals are against it at first, but they can change their opinion over time and change their votes to "Yes". Vassals are more likely to change when they have a positive opinion about you and when the law benefits them personally (unlikely to be a factor with centralization, but can be very important with succession laws, for example).

Just propose the law and wait for a few months. You will see that some vassals will start supporting your law. When you have some powerful vassals who refuse to back it, see if you can improve your relation with them somehow.


Sure enough, the law was passed after a few months. I had been toggling the law vote on and off, experimenting with different laws etc. trying to understand what was going on. I was under the impression that the law votes were like the character-level interactions (e.g. marriage, invite to court) and they wouldn't change on their own without an outside influence.

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