I have 29 landed vassals when my limit is 22, but there doesn't seem to be an opinion or tax penalty like there is for too many duchies or too big of a demense. I've also noticed that the HRE Kaiser is always way over his vassal limit.

  • Looks like your edit got rejected. It's good info, imo, so I put it back in. You could have also posted it as a comment or a new answer.
    – Dacio
    Aug 10, 2015 at 17:41

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Note: this answer is current for game version 2.4.2.

The vassal limit tooltip from the top-right of the screen says the following:

Your vassal limit indicates how many direct vassals you can have at count tier or higher, excluding nomad clans. Having too many direct vassals will negatively affect the amount of taxes and levies you get from vassas, and you might lose the grip of your vassals upon death.

Vassal Limit Tooltip

The over vassal limit warning – the notification that pops up in the center, if you haven't disabled it – says the following:

You have M/N vassals, give you less taxes and levies from your vassals. You risk losing vassals if your character dies.

Vassal limit warning tooltip

You can see the impact of the penalty in the summary screen for levies or taxes by hovering over the per-vassal contribution. On the military tab, this is the green and red bar on the right hand side.

Vassal limit levy penalty

As you can see, my vassal duke has his troop contribution penalized by 5% for being over my vassal limit by 1. All of my count tier and higher vassals have this penalty applied, but I didn't think to look for a sub-county level vassal. I also didn't look at the taxes, but I assume it's also 5% per vassal. If you don't have a feudal tax law enacted, this might not matter as 0 less 5% is still 0. If it does apply to sub-county vassals this is much more of a problem, as city taxes typically provide the bulk of an income.

If you go over your vassal limit by 20, you're down to zero taxes and levies from vassals, left to finance and defend your entire realm with only your direct demesne. I've seen this happen to AI's when they win a holy war (rather, all of Christendom wins a holy war for them) and wind up with a spare kingdom, which is why the game gives you a little bit of leeway before applying opinion and tax penalties.

It's also worth reiterating that only Count-level and above vassals count towards the vassal limit. That means mayors, bishops and barons from your personally held demesne counties don't count towards the limit itself. However, if you grant any counties to a mayor or a bishop, you wind up with count-level vassals who you are depending upon for taxes, so the penalty may be more severe.

EDIT by asker: I'm not sure if being over the vassal limit caused it, but when one of my vassals died, his heir was no longer my vassal. That is, it seems like you lose the extra vassals when they die, not when you die – so whichever vassals die first are the ones you lose probably.

  • The warning my game has (vanilla, latest version) the same text, but also warns me about diminished taxes and levies (similar to the over demesne size warning). Do you know how the game determines which vassals, if any, leave? Aug 7, 2015 at 21:19
  • No, I've never gone through my own over-vassal succession. I wonder if the penalties only apply to vassal levies and taxes... Open your military tab and hover over a few vassals levy contributions and see if the penalty shows up there. You can also see tax contributions from the Vassals tab below your ruler portrait view. But the penalty might only affect feudal vassals, so if you haven't raised feudal taxes yet there might not be anything to see.
    – Dacio
    Aug 7, 2015 at 21:25

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