# What determines nomadic clan land demand?

Just started out playing as a nomad in 9th century (the Old Gods bookmark). I immediately started conquering more land for my Khaganate and discovered that clans will often demand so much land that you must make them more powerful than yourself before they become satisfied. This effectively leaves me with two choices. Grant them that much land, decreasing the probability of revolt but strengthening the clans and thus increasing the chances of it succeeding once they revolt. Or two, don't grant them land and live with the higher probability of a revolt but keep yourself stronger and thus decrease probability of it succeeding.

However, I would rather not have this additional instability. Hence, what determines how much land the clans demand? Is this something that can be mitigated?

• It doesn't answer the question but splitting clans to make more clans is a good way to give away land without making any one rival too strong. Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 12:09
• Right, but my clan number is also maximum Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 12:09
• So after a bit of expansion the amount of land that I am able to hold has increased as well as the number of clans that I am allowed to have. So my guess is that the max number of clans is some number * the number of provinces and the max number of provinces you can have is some proportion (less than 1/2) of total provinces you own (just a guess, not verified in any way). Explains the observation that early game with only one vassal clan the game is not allowing you to be stronger than the one other clan. Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:45

`The clans will demand a certain amount of land from the ruler that is dependent on the total number of nomadic counties, once the clan limit rises above 1. This demand is 2 at 5 nomadic counties, 3 at 6 nomadic counties, 4 at 7 or 8 nomadic counties, and 66% of the number of nomadic counties, rounding up, thereafter.`