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Does the third strike on Jax's Grandmaster's Might passive trigger the Deathfire Touch keystone?

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  • good question. I´ll test this later today and post results tomorrow if noone else does. I would suggest you use the stacking physical dmg on-hit though.
    – Eumel
    Nov 23, 2015 at 14:38
  • I know that it does not work on Diana's, probably because you don't actually cast anything. But the keystone does trigger on Brand's passive...
    – Bl00dylicious
    Nov 23, 2015 at 15:47
  • @Eumel thats what i was using, i just wanted to know in case. New hybrid Jax is awesome.
    – The Man
    Nov 23, 2015 at 17:47

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Jax's Grandmaster's Might passive does trigger Deathfire Touch.
I have not tested this myself (I might later and edit to confirm), but the wiki provides information as to why this is so.

On the Deathfire Touch page:

  • Deathfire Touch is a spell effect and will only be applied to instances of ability damage.

Now we know Deathfire Touch is a spell effect, but does Grandmaster's Might passive count as ability damage? Yes.
On the spell effect page:

The following "on-hit effects" are incorrectly, although possibly intentionally classified as abilities and will trigger spell effects. The triggering attack can still trigger on-hit effects.
[...]

  • Jax's Empower
    • Grandmaster's Might (passive)

And on the Jax page under Grandmaster's Might (click show ability details):

Grandmaster's Might is a self-buff ability that passively grants Jax an on-hit effect on all his basic attacks.

  • Applies spell effects as a single target ability.
    • Spell vamp is fully applied.
    • Will of the Ancients will heal you for 15% of the raw damage dealt.
    • Rylai's Crystal Scepter will apply a 40% slow for 1.5 seconds.

Grandmaster's Might passive grants an on-hit effect of extra damage on every third basic attack in 2.5 seconds. Since this on-hit effect is classed as ability damage, it will apply spell effects and therefore Deathfire Touch.

I think it is safe to assume that, as @Gnarly 404 stated in the comments for @Eumel's answer, "[...] everything that triggers a Luden's Echo or Liandry's will also trigger Deathfire Touch." A quick look at some other abilities listed on the spell effect wiki page, such as Gragas's Drunken Rage and Kassadin's Nether Blade, confirms that this is probably the case. I did not check all of them, so feel free to prove me wrong.

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  • if you check my answer below, i did the testing and it does apply
    – Eumel
    Nov 24, 2015 at 16:50
  • @Eumel yes I saw your answer, I just wanted to add some information to back up the result.
    – MC ΔT
    Nov 25, 2015 at 7:43
  • my comment was aimed at you editid your post to state that testing was done and information was right, forgot that i could edit as well^^
    – Eumel
    Nov 25, 2015 at 9:24
  • I did not decide to edit in that you tested it and works, as I said I would edit if I tested it myself. Others can see your comments here adding that it has been tested by you and works.
    – MC ΔT
    Nov 25, 2015 at 9:30
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I'm taking a guess here (99% sure) based on the fact that Diana´s passive and EZ´s Q doesn't trigger it.

Both those spells are actually not coded as a spell but as a special kind of autoattack particle (source somewhere on patchnotes or the riot forum) thus they do not proc Deathfire or Ludens Echo. Brand's passive, on the other hand, is a spell like any other DOT.

I did the testing just now Jax´s ultimate actually does proc Deathfire Touch so I take back what I said before.

There you have your answer though.

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  • so i would assume that the same is true of Gangplank parley then? how about something like nasus siphoning strike?
    – Dragonrage ♦
    Nov 23, 2015 at 17:14
  • I think that everything that triggers a Luden's Echo or Liandry's will also trigger Deathfire Touch.
    – Bl00dylicious
    Nov 23, 2015 at 17:33
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Well, if it doesn't work on Diana, it's not going to work on Jax either. Mainly because is a passive spell rather than an active spell.

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  • Passive spells can still proc spell hit effects, the big one being Brand's burn.
    – VanBuzzKill
    Nov 23, 2015 at 17:56

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