In Fallen London, I have reached "Connected: The Widow" to 30.

Is there a point other than the loot to keep working for her?

Is there a maximum to the "Connected" quality or does it keep going on forever? I have not had a unique form of interaction with her in a while.

Do the things that apply to her apply to all personalities, as far as these questions go?


So this is a two-part question, because the mechanics in question are in the process of being changed.

The first part, as it currently stands, is that there is no maximum to any given "Connected" quality, although there is a point at which the term of recognition stops changing -- for instance, Society's highest title is "Toasted", at level 300, and The Revolutionaries' is "A Ringleader", at level 150. There are very few actions that require such high levels of Connected. The Widow, in particular, has no actions that require above 30 -- she's one of the least-used factions, alongside the Duchess.

However, as of writing, the various factions in London are being converted into a different system -- Favours and Renown, which you may have seen when dealing with Criminals, the Docks, the Tomb-Colonists, or the Rubbery Men. Under this system there is in fact a maximum level of connections.

Unlike the current Connected system, which just goes up and up in relatively minuscule amounts, Favours are granted discretely, to a maximum of 7, and generally only from opportunity cards. Usage of Connected items (such as a Nodule of Pulsating Amber for Rubbery Men, or an Engraved Pewter Tankard for Docks) then allows you to convert Favours into Renown.

Raising Renown becomes progressively more difficult and expensive each time you do it, and all Renown raisers require you to have a certain amount of one of the base stats (Watchful, Shadowy, Dangerous or Persuasive) based on your current level of Renown, which has the effect of soft-capping Renown at around level 50 for each faction.

Renown is a reliable way to raise certain Quirks above level 10, and can also unlock new factional content. For example, at Renown: Criminals 20, a new opportunity card becomes available, which provides both another source of Favours: Criminals and a very good way to cash them in (4.4 Echoes' worth of Prisoner's Honey for one Favour). Renown: Rubbery Men unlocks progressively better pieces of Persuasive equipment across London, although the final one requires access to the Fate-locked area of Flute Street.

There is no ETA on when any given faction will get converted -- these changes have been in progress since late 2015. When a faction is converted, your Connected score is exchanged for an amount of Favours and Renown, which is normalized based on the range of Connected among the whole player base (so that those with the highest score will begin with very high Renown, around 40 or higher).


There's an opportunity card that crops up when you have both Connected: The Widow 30 and Favors: The Docks x 5, called "The Acacia and the Butterfly". Using that card will cash in one connection or the other for rewards. (i.e., it costs 465 change points of Connected: The Widow (which is what it takes to get Connected: The Widow 30) or Favors: The Docks x 5.)

If you'd like to raise your Connected: The Widow without working for her directly, there's another opportunity card that will let you increase your Connected: The Widow or Connected: Urchins a fair bit, as long as you have at least 5 of each connection: "A familiar face by the school railings." This will let you trade 15 change points of Urchins for 30 change points of The Widow, or vice versa: using that card repeatedly (when you can find it) is a quick way to raise both connections.

On a bit of a tangent: the Connected qualities are being migrated over to a different system: Favors and Renown. Renown is how well-known you are with a group (equivalent to "you must have X Connected: Y to take this action"), while Favors (capped at 7) is how much you can induce that group to act for you (equivalent to "you must spend X Connected: Y to do this action"). The migration is happening pretty slowly: it was promised as of August 2015, and as of May 2016, only four factions have been migrated.

When the migration to Favors/Renown happens, your current Connected quality will be cashed in. You'll get a maximum of 7 Favors for that faction, and a maximum of 50 Renown (soft-capped by the requirements to raise it). But that's a fairly paltry payment, as things go, so you'll probably be happier exploring other parts of Fallen London rather than grinding the Widow purely for the (very) eventual switch to Favors/Renown.

  • Favours are capped at 7. Renown is soft-capped based on the stat requirements to raise it, usually ending at around 50. The conversions to Favours/Renown are normalized, too, so that no one goes above the effective maximum just from having a very high score. May 19 '16 at 16:27
  • @JeremyAvalon, thanks; I'd forgotten the details of conversion. May 19 '16 at 17:45

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