According to the wiki, the Jewelled Foil only beats the Harpy Rapier with a slightly higher base attack speed, at 1.6 vs 1.4. Otherwise, the Harpy Rapier surpasses the foil in every other way -- higher base damage and higher critical multiplier implicit.

Is the attack speed really what's setting ilvl 86 Jewelled Foils apart from ilvl 86 Harpy Rapiers? Or is there something else?

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Simple and straight answer - because for one hand weapons (for the longest time now), added damage from other sources is King. The latest PoE patch launched alongside legion league just cast that in stone.

If you have two weapons with the same nominal dps and then you use cyclone which adds another flat 50 phys dmg on top - the only stats on the weapon that scale that are crit chance and attack speed (crit multi is a weak stat in general on weapons). This is highlighted massively in the case of elemental attack builds/weapons where significant flat damage is added in on top via anger/wrath or a gem link like added lightning/cold.

This effect is much more muted for 2 handers - because all the flat sources remain the same! in 2h vs 1h and are of course much much lower relative to the massive base dps of 2-handers - so in comparing 2 handers APS is less of an issue for pure dps.

Also, another big point is that in most of PoE content - builds commonly do anywhere from 2-10x the dmg needed to kill white mobs in a single hit, and at the same time a large number of the best movement skills are rate limited by your weapons APS (leap slam / whirling blades etc). So a faster, even lower dps weapon can effectively clear maps and content faster simply due to moving along faster. From someone who's wasted over 6 years and counting on the game, the ingame feel of using a slow weapon is anathema compared to a fast one - funnily enough especially for 2 handers! Because they hit too hard anyways.

EDIT: for the purpose of your question, a much more interesting case is the one between a jeweled foil and a spiraled foil and the massive premium between them in most PoE trade leagues.

  • This is exactly the kind of answer I was looking for -- explaining why attack speed is far more valuable than crit/critmulti. Great job!
    – childe
    Jul 26, 2019 at 20:16

From what I can tell between the Jewelled Foil and the Harpy Rapier is that as of patch 3.7.3, the Jewelled Foil's higher attack speed leads to marginally higher overall DPS potential.

Regarding the higher base physical damage and higher global critical strike multiplier implicit, both of these matter little in this scenario compared to the attack speed as it scales very well with the flat physical damage.

  • Note that my experience with crafting in Path of Exile is limited, so feel free to let me know if I misunderstood anything. Jul 17, 2019 at 16:12
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    I replaced my jewelled foil in my PoB with a harpy rapier with the exact same mods and get -1.7% dps even with the crit multi, higher base damage etc. The crit chance was only an extra .24%. The big decrease was -6.1% attack speed though. Jul 17, 2019 at 16:23
  • I think a bigger question here is, why is attack speed valued more over cc/cm and flat phys? CC/CM would scale better with crit chance mods on harpys, and attack speed would naturally fit better on the foil, but it seems inconsequential to use a Jewelled over a Harpy for what amounts to a minor DPS increase. Considering most builds are geared anyway to oneshot packs, I figured Harpys would be reliable enough to handle bosses better than Foils could.
    – childe
    Jul 17, 2019 at 18:22

I've just tested with my build in Path of Building.

I've created this two weapons:

Jeweled Foil
Physical Damage: 32-60
Critical Strike Change: 5.5%
Attacks per Second: 1.6
DPS 73.6


Harpy Rapier
Physical Damage: 31-72
Critical Strike Change: 5.7%
Attacks per Second: 1.4
DPS 72.1

As you can see Foil's basic DPS is a bit better.

When I try to switch between them, here is difference:

When replacing Foil with Rapier:

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When replacing Rapier with Foil:

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So attack speed is more important when calculating total DPS.

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