# Do trains with more wagons produce better throughput than faster trains with fewer wagons?

I hate how this game doesn't give you nearly all the numbers you need. It gives no hint as to how fast trains are, or how much weight affects them. I want to know, does having more cargo space cause greater throughput then having faster speed? Is the trade-off actually worth it or not?

• I can agree it's a bit challenging to determine what ratios are in this game, but have you looked at this calculator? I'm unsure if it has train info, but you might find it useful for other things. I used it a lot in my last playthrough to make some efficient factory designs. Feb 22 at 3:01
• The problem with trains is: The longer the track, the more impact has the speed. I actually always worked with 1L:2W (1 Locomotive, 2 Wagons) trains early on and later with 1L:4W:1L trains, as the stations fit best. if they're too slow, just add more L's at the end. Also: faster trains means more use of a single track, as it won't be occupied as long by one train. Many many factors to calculate the "true" efficency here Mar 1 at 7:30
• Are you asking about absolute wagon count, or wagon per locomotive count? Iirc if you keep the ratio the same, you can have arbitrarily long trains that move at the fastest speed Mar 1 at 14:41

According to the wiki:

• Heavier trains accelerate more slowly and are less affected by friction and air resistance.
• Each locomotive adds 2000 to the weight, and each cargo wagon 1000.
• The train's weight doesn't affect its top speed, only its acceleration.

Under ideal circumstances - on a long straight run with no obstructions - most of the train's time will be spent at top speed and a shorter train will have no benefit. But even if it spends most of the trip accelerating, a shorter train is usually less efficient.

Taking a common 1-2-1 train as our baseline, a shorter 1-1-1 train has 87% of the weight and therefore 120% of the acceleration. But even if this means you could take 120% as many trips in the same time (which you can't, because the train doesn't spend all of its time accelerating), each one only has half of the capacity, so your overall throughput is only 60%.

Conversely, a 1-4-1 train is 133% as heavy as the 1-2-1 train and has 75% as much acceleration. But, it hauls twice as much, putting its minimum throughput at 150% of the baseline.

Shorter trains are more convenient for small to midsize bases and are easier to design your rail network around. They also have lower latency, and so are suitable for emergency dispatch of e.g. repair supplies. However, they have less throughput than longer trains.

• So longer trains then do have better throughput? That said, what effect does having a slow mine have on all this? Assume you have enough miners to supply your base, but its output must be delivered by train. If you built more cargo wagons, they would take longer to fill up. At base though they would empty faster. This means the train would spend more time at the mining colony. Would this offset the time saved sitting at the deposit?
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Mar 1 at 19:14