I play Quake-Live a lot, and hear people claim that they miss or are at a disadvantage because their ping may be 30ms while the person they are playing with will have 20ms. Sometimes it seems even more ridiculous like 20ms vs 15ms.

If a ping is that low, does goes lower have any noticeable effect or advantage?

  • For comparison, one frame (as far as most LCD monitors care) is 16 ms. Sure, it may be rendering at 300 fps but that means naught if it can't show those extra frames.
    – Nick T
    Feb 2, 2012 at 20:32
  • Sounds like a bunch of whining to me. My counter-argument would be the guy with 300ms ping who is still wiping the floor with other players.
    – Yuck
    Feb 2, 2012 at 20:40
  • It seems like all of those units should be "ms" rather than "s", right? Feb 2, 2012 at 22:38

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Not to get all "get off my lawn, whippersnappers!" or anything, but as someone who has been playing Quake off and on for about 2 decades now, I can tell you that there's not that much difference between 30 and 15 msec ping. I used to play on dial-up versus people on broadband connections (where a "good" ping for me was 200-300 msec, and a "good" ping for them would be 50-100) and hold my own.

At 15-30 msec, I have a hard time believing anyone can really tell the difference. Human reaction time is not really anywhere close to these numbers, so I'd be willing to bet that if you hid that number and didn't display it, that a person couldn't tell the difference between them having the 20 msec ping and the opponent having the 20 msec ping.

There's many different aspects of networking and multiplayer gaming that can effect game performance, and ping is only one of them. Packet loss, client prediction, server performance, etc can all play a factor. It's possible there's some legitimate network issue causing people to play below their skill level, but "funky, unreliable networks" and "funky, unreliable game code" are both pretty universal, so everyone tends to be on equal footing most of the time, or at least on average.

That said, I've played with myriad people who always found a way to complain about something when they were losing, so even if you took ping out of the equation, there'd just be something else (ie, they have a better mouse or graphics card or more money/time to play, or the game makers/server operators have it out for me, etc) to complain about.


From playing quake on and off for at least 13 years, my opinion is that while the actual ping does not make much of a difference, ping flux (or quality of connection) which determines the range and frequency of ping variation during a game is the critical factor in ping effect on one's game.

The lightning gun is an excellent illustrator of how this works. When I connect using a VoIP-type optimizer like WTFast, I notice an easy 15% improvement in accuracy vs without.

One observation in favor of the ping argument is to see how many winning teams have a lower overall ping than the other. In the 1000+ games I've played, winning teams have overwhelmingly had a lower overall ping.

Observe my ELO stats here: http://qlranks.com/ca/player/mindcontrol

The sudden improvement from March is exactly the time when I started using WTFast.

I'd be curious to see if those who claim 'ping does'nt matter' have used the same connection on the same computer for a longer time than others. Consistent practice with the same setup and ping flux over years may contribute to their conviction.

  • Ok... I've since understood that this ping fluctuation that I speak of is commonly referred to as a ping 'jitter', usually caused by noise due to a less-than-optimal connection/routing. Mar 26, 2013 at 17:35

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