I tried pitting the sentinels vs scourge without any heroes. Just let the creeps battle on their own. I did this 5 times and on those 5 matches, the scourge always wins the match.

Does this gives the scourge slight advantage in matches? Also what is the factor that makes the scourge wins on those matches?


This might have something to do with the static differences with the map layout. They may be small differences but definitely adds up as the match progresses on between the two creeps.

From this article.

Mid lane in Particular

Mid lane, as opposed to top and bot, has a slight difference in creep arrival, as a result of pre-discussed enlargement of scourge base. This means that the sentinel ranged creep is standing up-hill, and a ranged hero will be able to actively use the Fog of War, thus having a huge advantage in the first minute of the lane as the enemy do not have the ability to predict when the attacks are landing.

Ghouls and Treants

Although these two units are alike in almost every case, there is one small difference; Treants have a greater base than the ghouls, due to the greater unit size they have. This in combination with the Treants coming from the lower left corner results in Ghouls being able to 'hide' behind the Treants, making them a lot harder to hit.

The positioning of the towers and also the slightly larger base of the scourge base might also affect the way the scourge's creeps arrival as they spawn on their base.

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  • He said without heroes, thus this answer is not related to the question. – Fadeway Jul 21 '12 at 8:47
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    I only mentioned about the map differences that might affect the creeps arrival and positioning. I didn't MENTION any about the heroes. So why _downvote_? Did you even read my answer carefully? – user29674 Jul 21 '12 at 8:50
  • So it may have to do with the sentinel's treants being slightly larger than the ghouls. Making them easier to get hit by towers and creeps alike. The mid positioning also might be a BIG factor since on my simulation, it is the first one to go down, thus affecting the also the bottom racks after the scourge destroyed the mid towers and racks. – user29674 Jul 21 '12 at 8:57
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    I'm also trying to run the game with no heroes and just simply watch them but it's kinda taking quite long and boring to just simply watch. Minimizing the game also pauses the match so I simply give up. How long does each match run anyway? – user29674 Jul 21 '12 at 9:10
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    You may be on to something here, I didn't consider surround speed. I haven't played much DotA though, so I'm not sure if treants are really easier to block - sounds like an obvious imbalance. Gonna take your word for it though. – Fadeway Jul 21 '12 at 9:21

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