I'm planning to make an assassin and won't improve my armor since I don't intend to get attacked. I roleplay a Khajiit assassin that doesn't know anything about smithing, so I don't want to smith at all.

I don't know if the daggers sold by NPCs will be enough to one-hit people with the 15x perk. Does anyone know anything about that?

I do intend to get a Fortify Archery amulet and ring since they increase a dagger's damage, and I also intend to spend points on the 1h Armsman 5/5 (but won't spend on dual-wield.)

Is that enough to 1-hit-kill bandits on my level, draugr, etc and do at least good damage to bosses ?

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You will probably be vulnerable in open combat against stronger enemies, but this is a perfectly reasonable build. In fact this is my build at the moment (sneaky assassin with daggers and archery) and it works a treat. I am just about able to 1-hit kill a Frost dragon and am level 33 or so.

Increase sneak as much as you can, and early. This will let you more easily a) stay hidden and alive and b) get those delicious sneak attacks we all know and love. Anything to increase sneak/backstab damage is really useful, including, as @Rodrigo Guedes said in his answer, joining the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild (you get some great armour if you follow the latter through to the end).

I haven't got any smithing to speak of (20 or so) and am using Mehrunes' Razor (highly recommended as it can occasionally 1-hit kill, saving you some hassle) and the Blade of Woe, which is useful to claw some health back mid-battle when needed. Remember that when you're lower level and using unenchanted daggers you can still improve them a little bit!

I've also found archery to be incredibly useful. It can do a ton of damage if you level it up and use good arrows, you can start doing damage at enemies that are rushing at you once you've been spotted (the perk that slows down time when you draw is a lifesaver) and you can also increase the sneak attack damage to 3x instead of 2x. That's not as much as 30x but you don't need to be as close! :)

Also, don't forget your Thu'um. Slow Time is great for positioning yourself or running away, Throw Voice is great for getting targets into backstab-friendly positions, Marked For Death is great for extra damage in open combat and finally Aura Whisper is an absolute must - cast it as you walk around in a new dungeon and you will never be taken by surprise! I think I use this more than any other shout.

Happy stabbing!

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    A nice, thorough answer.
    – Nigralbus
    Aug 22, 2012 at 12:47
  • "Remember that when you're lower level and using unenchanted daggers you can still improve them a little bit!" As I said, I don't want to use smithing/improving. Is your bow and dagger unimproved ?
    – Ramirez
    Aug 22, 2012 at 22:17
  • @Ramirez That was for the general case, not your character specifically :) I improved my bow and daggers where possible but I can't improve enchanted items like Mehrunes' Razor or the Blade of Woe
    – Alex
    Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21

At 100 one-handed and 5 Armsman you will do 300% base damage of your weapon. Supposing you find a daedric dagger, that's 33 points of damage, or 495 damage on an x15 sneak attack, or 990 points of damage on an x30 sneak attack (DB gear bonus). Should be enough to deal with most regular enemies, heavily armored enemies might survive an x15 attack.

Fortify Archery only boosts dagger damage if it's from a potion, though, and that bug may have been fixed.

  • Looks spot on and such.. Should just be noted when you can Not sneak up on things, the armor skill will be raised. Facing off with dragons will be more of a challenge as well (there are not many you can sneak up on).
    – James
    Aug 22, 2012 at 0:41
  • @James that's true, but word walls are often against cliffs. If you can get onto the mountain behind them you can drop down onto them - they don't always notice! There's also usually a rock pillar or something you can hide behind to avoid the fiery breath while you chug potions or ready a bow.
    – Alex
    Aug 22, 2012 at 8:24
  • The stronger draugr has about 1300 health, so It's a quite reasonable damage, thanks for the answer :)
    – Ramirez
    Aug 22, 2012 at 22:20

Not necessarily. But you will need a really good weapon. I recommend Mehrunes' Razor: it can kill instantly any enemy. And it's very well suited for an assassin (in terms of role playing), because it is a dagger. Additionally, you may want to join the Dark Brotherhood or the Thieves Guild to get their set of armor.

  • +1, Mehrunes Razor neatly solves a lot of the shortfalls of this approach. Aug 22, 2012 at 12:36
  • @LessPop_MoreFizz it's useful, but I find the 1-hit kills are too rare to rely on. They're more of a happy bonus (unless I'm just unlucky). Still worth having as it has high base damage, though!
    – Alex
    Aug 22, 2012 at 13:03
  • It's a ~2.5% chance to proc. Low for backstabbing, sure, but given the fast attack speed of daggers, plenty fast for open combat. And the base damage is high enough that for sneak attacks, the proc is generally unneeded. Aug 22, 2012 at 13:06
  • @LessPop_MoreFizz Agreed, I do find it's still a good offensive dagger and with 30x sneak damage it's not usually an issue. Still, I've been stabbing away with it for several days now and have probably only got 5-6 procs in that time. Unless they always happen to be on hits that would have killed them anyway :)
    – Alex
    Aug 22, 2012 at 14:28

I'm a level 49 wood elf thief/assassin and have never ever participated in open combat because of my bow. If you get a decent bow you will never be seen as long as you load up on the appropriate perks. I have ebony daggers and sword and a shield that I've never had to pick up because my enemies never get close enough for me to use them.


I have done the Dark Brotherhood storyline with just the shrouded armour given and an iron dagger, no perks, you should be set with the perks you have. However an assassin is only ever as good as his adaptability. I mean sure I can kill everyone in normal clothing, but if you get caught, and this will always happen at some point, you will need/want some decent armour, so do the DB story line, pick up the shrouded armour and blade of woe and ebony daggers. Now.... GO FORTH AND MURDER!!!

  • Hi @Hermes, you may welcome to gaming.SE. Your answer helps the question, however it sounds too opinon-based. Please elaborate on your points (as in show proof, ie. Stat numbers etc.)
    – aytimothy
    Oct 18, 2014 at 15:00

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