Can I kill animals, such as the dogs, and still get the achievements? I'm looking at one achievement that says I can kill "no one". I'm not sure if that includes the animals or not.

  • I know that Hagfish and Rats are a nonissue. Dogs... I'm not so sure. Oct 13, 2012 at 0:14
  • possible duplicate of What's the best strategy to keep the chaos low?
    – Steve V.
    Feb 20, 2013 at 3:15
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    @SteveV. I don't think this is a duplicate as this question is asking about how killing animals will affect achievements, while the other question is not about achievements at all. Feb 20, 2013 at 10:17
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    @SteveV. But that's the point. Keeping chaos low isn't necessarily related to gaining several of the achievements...in particular the one that says that the player can't kill anyone: someone looking at that goal isn't wondering how to keep chaos low...they're wondering how to get the achievement. The goal is different, and presumably the person searching is looking for a different reason. The answers are similar, but not the questions.
    – Beska
    Feb 20, 2013 at 16:14
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    @SteveV. To add to Beska's point above, the other question is about how to keep the chaos low, not asking about 'killing' specifically. (Also, killing is not the only thing that affects chaos.) Feb 21, 2013 at 4:07

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From the "Notes on Stealth Detection, Chaos, and Trophies/Achievements" post in the Bethesda forums by Gstaff, a Community Manager at Bethesda:

How does the Chaos system work? How do I raise or lower the Chaos level that is displayed on the end mission stats screen?

  • Rats, Hagfish and River Krust do not raise Chaos if killed. They also do not count towards detection of your character.
  • Wolfhound kills do not count towards Chaos, but they can detect your character and will count towards that. They can also discover bodies, as well as their corpse will count towards “bodies found”.

Note that by "does not raise or count towards Chaos", it is also meant that they will not count as a kill. This is because the more you kill NPCs, including Weepers, the more you increase Chaos.


Well, I went ahead and killed some of the hounds...and I still got the checkmark at the end reading "Didn't kill anyone". So my strong suspicion is that the hounds don't count for the achievement, either.


As mentioned in this answer killing animals does not count against you. Except weepers, if you consider them animals.

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