I have leveled up to the point where I can barely be summoned as a Blade of the Darkmoon anymore, and in order to get the "Master of Miracles" achievement, I need to turn in thirty "Proof of a Concord Kept" to the covenant leader. To obtain these items, I have to farm the silver knights in Anor Londo, using items such as the Covetous Gold Serpent ring and the Symbol of Avarice.

How does having a phantom in your world affect item discovery? For example, if a friendly phantom kills a silver knight with the Symbol of Avarice equipped, then does the resulting item (if any) take their item discovery into account, or mine, or some mixture of the two?

  • For what it's worth, I've been invaded by people wearing the Symbol of Avarice and used a seed, none of the mobs they killed dropped anything.
    – 0xFF
    May 31, 2017 at 19:12
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    @fhl well when you're an invader or a phantom you aren't able to see items, only the host can.
    – Parzival
    May 31, 2017 at 19:13

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Alright so I did some digging using a friend, CE and the latest table(not linking it because it's Bad Stuff™).

CE Values

The table I used didn't list item discovery directly so I had to search a bit for it. As expected, it is affected by luck and item discovery gear. Having another player didn't change it, and having the other player equip item discovery gear didn't change it either. Now I'm not a pro at CE but I tried to find places that used the item discovery value and what I think was the drop rate formula didn't have any changes when another player equipped I.D. gear.

Ingame observations

First, I did 5 "cycles" of killing the 3 Silver knights in Anor Londo with no item discovery gear and noted the drops. Then I did the same with my friend, no item discovery gear. It didn't make any difference.

I did 5 cycles with gold covetous ring+3, Symbol of avarice and a crystal sage rapier and noted the drops. Then I did the same with my friend (who had no I.D. gear). No difference. He then equipped the same stuff as me. 5 more cycles, no difference. We did this again a couple of times with him as a white, gold, purple and red phantom and it didn't change anything.

As a last attempt, I used the Dried Fingers and summonned the max amount of players I could and got invaded. I killed the 3 knights. No noticeable difference in drops, no changes in CE.


Extra players of any kind (white, gold, purple, red), summoned or invading, do not appear to change item discovery or drop rate.

  • do you have to kill the enemy to have it affected by your item discovery?
    – Parzival
    Jun 2, 2017 at 3:17
  • As far as I can tell, it doesn't have to be you specifically, but it uses the host's item discovery. It seems to do (HostItemDiscovery / 100) * ItemDropRate for each items on the mob's loot table.
    – 0xFF
    Jun 2, 2017 at 13:48

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