Does the third strike on Jax's Grandmaster's Might passive trigger the Deathfire Touch keystone?
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good question. I´ll test this later today and post results tomorrow if noone else does. I would suggest you use the stacking physical dmg on-hit though.– EumelCommented Nov 23, 2015 at 14:38
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I know that it does not work on Diana's, probably because you don't actually cast anything. But the keystone does trigger on Brand's passive...– Bl00dyliciousCommented Nov 23, 2015 at 15:47
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@Eumel thats what i was using, i just wanted to know in case. New hybrid Jax is awesome.– The ManCommented Nov 23, 2015 at 17:47
3 Answers
Jax's Grandmaster's Might passive does trigger Deathfire Touch.
I have not tested this myself (I might later and edit to confirm), but the wiki provides information as to why this is so.
On the Deathfire Touch page:
- Deathfire Touch is a spell effect and will only be applied to instances of ability damage.
Now we know Deathfire Touch is a spell effect, but does Grandmaster's Might passive count as ability damage? Yes.
On the spell effect page:
The following "on-hit effects" are incorrectly, although possibly intentionally classified as abilities and will trigger spell effects. The triggering attack can still trigger on-hit effects.
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- Jax's Empower
- Grandmaster's Might (passive)
And on the Jax page under Grandmaster's Might (click show ability details):
Grandmaster's Might is a self-buff ability that passively grants Jax an on-hit effect on all his basic attacks.
- Applies spell effects as a single target ability.
- Spell vamp is fully applied.
- Will of the Ancients will heal you for 15% of the raw damage dealt.
- Rylai's Crystal Scepter will apply a 40% slow for 1.5 seconds.
Grandmaster's Might passive grants an on-hit effect of extra damage on every third basic attack in 2.5 seconds. Since this on-hit effect is classed as ability damage, it will apply spell effects and therefore Deathfire Touch.
I think it is safe to assume that, as @Gnarly 404 stated in the comments for @Eumel's answer, "[...] everything that triggers a Luden's Echo or Liandry's will also trigger Deathfire Touch." A quick look at some other abilities listed on the spell effect wiki page, such as Gragas's Drunken Rage and Kassadin's Nether Blade, confirms that this is probably the case. I did not check all of them, so feel free to prove me wrong.
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if you check my answer below, i did the testing and it does apply– EumelCommented Nov 24, 2015 at 16:50
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@Eumel yes I saw your answer, I just wanted to add some information to back up the result.– MC ΔTCommented Nov 25, 2015 at 7:43
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my comment was aimed at you editid your post to state that testing was done and information was right, forgot that i could edit as well^^– EumelCommented Nov 25, 2015 at 9:24
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I did not decide to edit in that you tested it and works, as I said I would edit if I tested it myself. Others can see your comments here adding that it has been tested by you and works.– MC ΔTCommented Nov 25, 2015 at 9:30
I'm taking a guess here (99% sure) based on the fact that Diana´s passive and EZ´s Q doesn't trigger it.
Both those spells are actually not coded as a spell but as a special kind of autoattack particle (source somewhere on patchnotes or the riot forum) thus they do not proc Deathfire or Ludens Echo. Brand's passive, on the other hand, is a spell like any other DOT.
I did the testing just now Jax´s ultimate actually does proc Deathfire Touch so I take back what I said before.
There you have your answer though.
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so i would assume that the same is true of Gangplank parley then? how about something like nasus siphoning strike?– Dragonrage ♦Commented Nov 23, 2015 at 17:14
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I think that everything that triggers a Luden's Echo or Liandry's will also trigger Deathfire Touch. Commented Nov 23, 2015 at 17:33
Well, if it doesn't work on Diana, it's not going to work on Jax either. Mainly because is a passive spell rather than an active spell.
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Passive spells can still proc spell hit effects, the big one being Brand's burn. Commented Nov 23, 2015 at 17:56