When my king died, the next king (oldest son) could only raise like half the army (levies) I could before. What happened?

  • uhh ohmm... hmm... no, but like, it retained the big ones like 'king of poland' and 'king of lithuania' titles. I've never played CK but played lots of EU3, and there you would keep your armies when a new king came. Is it different here? – Rodolfo Feb 14 '12 at 14:51
  • oh crap, and I was giving away titles to keep people happy thinking as long as I kept the 'kingdom of...' I was good. If you make it an answer I'll mark it. – Rodolfo Feb 14 '12 at 17:02

I think the reason your levy decreased is due to your heir's vassal-leige relationship score being different than your original king's. It could also be that your levy base providing buildings are not in your heir's personal demense.

The levy system is actually kinda complex but once you have a feel for it I suspect it'll make sense.

I originally said (in comments) that I thought this was related to titles, and it's not quite right. There's a few things at play.

If you don't give your sons any land then you can end up with the "unlanded sons prestige penalty". You need to give your first son some lands (but not the 2nd or 3rd as it'll increase a chance of war on inheritance). This shouldn't affect your levy though, except as it may indirectly affect your relationship with your vassals.

I came across a pretty decent description of the levy system [here].1

If you lose any of the following, you'll see a bad drop:

  • Castles give 225 base Levy (150 HI, 60 LI, 15 LC)
  • Churches give 130 base Levy (45 HI, 45LI, 40A)
  • Cities give 115 base Levy (75LI, 40A)

Here's where you could be losing levy... especially note that if the castle isn't in your personal demesne you'll take a hit.

You raise 100% of the Levy in your own holdings. Since castles give the most and best types of troops you want to have castles in your demesne unless you don't want to use only mercenaries and vassal levy.

The following is what I was talking about with the V-L Relation

Relation with your vassal and Levy Laws determine how much of the vassal levy you can raise. Crown Authority sets the minimum levy you get and Levy Laws set the maximum:

Crown Authority → 0 min /10% min /20% min /30% min /40% min Feudal Levy Law → 60% max / 70% max / 80% max / 100% max (225) City Levy Law → 50% max / 65% max / 80% max / 95% max (115) Church Levy Law → 50% max / 60%max / 70% max / 80% max (130)

You always get the min levy set by crown authority but the actual amount up to the >maximum is determined by vassal-liege relation (VLR). Relation is transformed into >percentage value (P) according to the following formula:

P = ((25 + VLR) x 0.69)/100

Now when you apply P to the maximum levy set by law (MXL) you get the percentage of >troops (PT) you get from the holding:

PT = P x (MXL/100)

Multiply by the number of levy (NL) in the holding and you get the actual troops (AT) >you can raise:

AT = PT x NL

Hope this helps and good luck! Sorry about any confusion!

  • good info thanks. So basically, I should only build forts in the provinces I'm owner for armies (and guess cities for money... not sure why I would want a bishopic). And not really do anything with provinces that are not part of my... demesne was it? – Rodolfo Feb 14 '12 at 22:22
  • There may be tax reasons or other reasons to do these things, apparently once your demense becomes too large you will need to split it, and bishopics are probably the way to go, but for levies you're prefer to have them as your own. – Tharius Feb 15 '12 at 0:14
  • Bishopics allow you to build 2 cheap buildings - church and cathedral school - which boost technology growth. Only for 240 gold you get +30% bonus, while univercity costs you 700 and gives +20%, it's upgrade costs 800 and gives another 20. – Alien-47 Feb 22 '12 at 8:18
  • You can improve the holdings of counties you hold. Ideally, as a (noble) ruler, you should not own any cities or bishoprics, because those give you the "wrong holding" penalty. But you can still improve those cities and bishoprics if you hold the county title. – PotatoEngineer Jul 9 '12 at 20:53

Since you don't mention whether it's your personal levies or your vassal's levies...

Your ruler's martial skill also makes a difference in the the number of levies you can raise. If your deceased father had a martial of 20+ and your new whelpling has a martial of 10 or less, you'll see a significant difference. Even though you always raise 100% of the available levy in any of your demense holdings, what that figure is changes based on your personal martial skill (and buildings built and county modifiers). Quoting from the CKII wiki:

  • Levy size modifiers is the sum of modifiers from:
    • Martial skill: 5% * (martial skill - 10). This significantly affects the levy size, e.g. -50% at 0 skill and +50% at 20 skill.

So if you went from 20+ to 0 martial skill, you would go from 150% to 50% personal levies, which is a 2/3rds reduction. If you have a large demesne and a low vassal count, this could be responsible for the bulk of the difference.

Also, the military tab (sword & shield icon, right of the ruler portrait) can show you what proportion of your levies come from your Demesne vs. your Vassals.

Levies summary screen

Below that part, there's a section that breaks down your vassal levies. If you hover over the green/red bar split, you get a summary of the math for that vassal. This should look roughly similar to the math in Tharius' excellent answer.

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